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Offline tominboise

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Has anyone used a McMillan stock?
« on: August 06, 2003, 04:50:26 AM »
I have a Sako 75 hunter with a walnut stock.  I would like to install a glass stock to weatherproof the rifle a little bit, plus it's so pretty I really don't want to drag it thru the weeds.  Anyway,   McMillan will sell me a complete ready to go glass stock for $350.  Yikes  :eek: , but probably worth it for the quality.  Has anyone used one of their stocks, and if so,how do you like them?  I am not afraid to glass bed, but they say it probably won't be necessary.  Like most things, I'd have to shoot it to see.  I have used Ramline and Bell & Carlson in the past.  The ramlines are heavy, and I broke a B&C at the wrist.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Tom
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2003, 10:08:50 AM »
Tom,  

McMillan is the best "TRUE" synthetic stocks - PERIOD.  In second place is HS Precision.  I own both.

I have a McMillan stock on my 375H&H Mag.  Is glass bedding necessary?  Under most situations - yes.  Forget about what McMillan says, most of the times the rifles need to be glass bedded in order to get consistent accuracy.  I had my .375 action glass bedded and the barrel free floating.

Go to www.gunbroker.com and type in Sako and McMillan.  There you will see synthetic stocks for Sakos about about $199.  These scopes are inletted (whatever that means) but I don't think that they are true "drop-in" stocks.  Still, for the money, you can have a gunsmith make it perfect for probably much less money that it would cost to get it directly from McMillan.

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2003, 06:25:22 PM »
I've used McMillans on match rifles and they are STIFF - and heavy. Perfect for what I used 'em for, worth every penny. They will indeed need to be bedded. Only downside with layered synthetics is you can't reshape them like one can with a wood or laminate, but that's only an issue to us nitpicking target shooters.

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2003, 05:23:28 AM »
tominboise:  there has been a lot of discussion on synthetic versus wood stocks for use in hard hunting areas, especially for fellas like you who have a nice piece of wood on your rifles and want to keep them looking good and not have them suffer from the weather.  So I want to tell you the same thing I've mentioned to others about waterproofing wood stocks.  I've never seen or heard of a problem with wooden stocks on military rifles, even the snipers, because they have absorbed so much gun oil and cleaning solution (which is petroleum based) they would probably float fully loaded.  

Whenever I have worked on a stock for one of my rifles or have restocked one I make it a point to make absolutely certain every square inch of that stock has absorbed as much protectant as possible.  That included the barrel channel, the buttstock under the pistol grip cap, under the recoiol pad, and down into the retaining bolt chamber.  My favorite combination is linseed oil and beeswax.  I put together about a half quart (8 oz) of linseed oil - you can use raw or boiled if you wish - and enough natural beeswax to thicken the mixture.  You can experiment all you want with your mixture and get it to whatever consistency you desire - nothing about that stuff will hurt anything on your stock, nothing at all.  You can get the beeswax from any hardware store in the form of the ring that seals your toilets to their drainage pipe.  Just make certain you get one made of beeswax and not something else.  

All I do is heat the linseed oil to steaming - why by already boiled?? - and add in as much beeswax as you want to thicken the mixture.  It won't take much.  You will want to apply it while the mixture is warm and when it cools all you need to do is warm it up again and stir or shake it up to get it mixed.  Once you have made some of that stuff up you will quickly understand that there is literally no way any piece of wood is ever going to suffer water damage if that is used to seal your wood, inside and out.

I figure all of that might cost you less than $10 and half an hours time putting the mixture together.  That's one heck of a savings over the cost for a piece of plastic.  I've always rubbed it into my stocks by hand and just kep on rubbing until the wood had absorbed as much as it was going to.  I've had walnut stocks turn just beautiful with that stuff and it gives me as much pleasure to hunt with and carry a well protected hand rubbed stock as it does to make a difficult but successful shot with a hand loaded round.  

Tom, if you have ever handled an original revolutionary war musket or a civil war rifle or a well used Trap Door or anything else that still has the original wood on it and have asked yourself how the hay did that wood last so long and keep looking so good, the answer is oil, of one kind or another.  The more natural the better.  You can use the linseed oil/beeswax mixture to preserve and protect the wood, age it, and clean it, and all the time it feels good doin' it.  

If your stock has a nice grain to it but the polyurethane on it makes it shine too much or if the finish has chipped, remove the old poly finish try the linseedoil/beeswax mixture.  Sometimes, after I have rubbed the mixture in for a couple of sessions (over a period of days) and my hands get sore, I will use a piece of leather wrapped around a stick of wood to burnish it up and it just comes out looking beautiful.

Hope this helps, and saves you a few dollars.  Mikey.

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2003, 07:21:59 AM »
Hi guys!!  I agree with Mikey to a point..  I use TruOil, which is an oil modifide varnish and end with a couple of coats of a wax containing carnuba.  This matural occuring wax in it's pure state is as hard as a rock.  Use any good wax(I have a wax designed to protect marble table tops) and apply over the TruOil..  The oil will not protect from water.. the wax most assuredly will.  Always use a finish product, linseed oil will not harden completely and will become sticky if heated or handled.  Boiled linseed oil actually has had driers added to help it harden.  Most organic varnishes contain some linseed oil as it helps the varnish flow when brushed.  The reason I prefer TruOil over LinSpeed even though they are similar is that I've found LinSpeed a bit brittle when hardened, and have had it 'craze'.  Use a light steel wooling between the last finish coat and the was if you'd like the satiny glow of an oil finisjed stock.  The only oil I can think of that really hardens is tung oil and again it gets a bit brittle for my taste.  Don't heat the linseed oil.  Heat hastens the oxidation process.  Ever see an old military rifle whose stock was black... that is the result of oxidized linseed oil...  Also heated linseed is a terrible fire hazard!!  I by the large TruOil bottles and pierce the foil seal with a needle.  This will allow the oil to drip out and will limit the amount of Oxigen that gets in to cause the material to jell.  Using this technique I loose almost no oil.  This doesn't seem to work with Tung oil,,  I have no idea why..  Personally I don't like synthetic stocks, much prefering a laminated stock with the excess wood carved out to lighten it a bit.  You get the noisture resistance of the plastic and the warmth of wood...and they can look quite nice to boot.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2003, 03:40:44 AM »
I have two McMillian stocks, one on a Win 300mag HB rifle and the other on a Win 308 HV.  I have never had a problem with the stocks, but I know that the company stands behind their product 100%.  I am very satisfied and I recommend highly the stocks.  I have come to learn also that quality costs, and so I am not hindered by the prices of McMillian.

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2003, 04:59:22 AM »
I have a McMillan stock on a custom gun that was built for me by Hill Country Rifles.  While it is a litte heavy, I can say that this stock fitted with a decellerator recoil pad yeilds almost no felt recoil (7mm-08 ackley imp.).  In addition,  I have no idea why anyone would pay extra and paint a McMillan stock.  I had mine swirled when poured with a mixture of 50% olive resin, 30% grey resin and 20% black resin, and the result is a great camo stock.  Definitely, unique to your gun and no paint to ever chip, peel or crack.  No wood to worry about putting a finish on.

If you want a shiny show piece, then no synthetic will be as pretty as walnut or laminate.  But if you find some beauty in craftsmanship and functionality, then I would definately go with the McMillan.

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