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Cold-bore shot
« on: October 06, 2008, 06:11:29 PM »
How much deviation are you guys getting in your cold-bore shot from follow ups? My .308 is flying about 1 1/2 to 2 inches left on the first shot then grouping very nicely.  I'm just curious--I've only got about 60 rounds through the barrel so far and wondered if anyone else was experiencing the same.

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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 06:26:53 PM »
Left or right is kind of unusual, could be something to do with the rifle latching up after being cleaned or something like that.  Usually it is a vertical difference, some rifles seem to have very little while some seem to have more.  I have a 17 Remington Savage that only changes about 1/2 inch from cold and clean to hot and dirty, so it may just be luck of the draw.  Larry
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 06:32:39 PM »
It is entirely possible that I am creating the windage issue on the first shot....I have been known to mash a trigger or two....

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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 10:55:22 PM »
   On my 30-06 the 1st shot out of a cold, clean barrel is always "dead nutz" on! Go Figure?  ::)
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 08:44:08 AM »
Don't clean your rifle until after hunting season.  That will fix the problem.
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 09:08:41 AM »
The first shot out of a clean barrel will rarely group with the following shots. When shooting for groups I always fire a "fouling" shot first (2 w/BP). When hunting, follow Swampman's advice. I zero my rifle, clean it, 1 fouling shot followed by 3 to confirm zero, then leave the rifle as-is until the season is over.

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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 10:50:49 AM »
Thanks for the sound advice.  As a side note, my .308 ultra has broken in very nicely...I'm afraid I'm hopelessly hooked on these handi's.  I'm already eyeing my next one... : ;D

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2008, 06:29:02 AM »
First shot out of my Handi's after cleaning always goes somewhere else, often one to two inches left or right.  From then on I know exactly where they are going.  Then I don't clean the gun till after hunting season is over and I'm going to put it away for a while.

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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2008, 07:39:29 AM »
Thanks guys, now I know why so many used rifles have pitted bores. In most places hunting season means bad weather and if you don't clean the bore until the end of the season-- well that most likely does explain the phenomenon of pitted bores. ;D
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2008, 07:44:54 AM »
Thanks guys, now I know why so many used rifles have pitted bores. In most places hunting season means bad weather and if you don't clean the bore until the end of the season-- well that most likely does explain the phenomenon of pitted bores. ;D

As long as you're using modern ammo & smokeless powder, even if you didn't clean your rifle for 20 years you wouldn't have a pitted bore.  I know this for a fact because I've seen it done many times.
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2008, 07:51:34 AM »
Swampy is right on here mondern powders do not pit the bores, thats old info caused by corrosive componets used years ago,  I don't clean mine after I foul them  till I know they are gonna be put away for awhile I have no pitted bores and no sign of one doing so.
 Water won't hurt a rifle either as long as you dry one as soon as you can but I know people who freak out if there purtty gun gets wet.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2008, 09:06:44 AM »
I'm for ever getting my 30-06 wet.  By wet I mean dropping it into a mud hole with two feet of water in it.  Or tipping my wheeler over in a river with the 06 in a gun boot strapped to the back.  All I do is spray the heck out of it with WD-40, down the barrel, down inside the action, then turn the gun over many times as I spray it inside, till it runs out around the hammer and everywhere else.  Then it's good to go till I get it home.  Then I forget for two or three months to take it apart and clean it.  When I finally remember and get around to it I don't find any rust or anything bad.  Love that WD-40.  So far no pitted bore or anything else.
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2008, 09:25:26 AM »
I too like WD-40.  I've been using it for many years with great sucess.  Mostly I use it as a solvent.  This hobby can be pretty simple if you'll let it be.
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2008, 01:57:08 AM »
Thanks guys, now I know why so many used rifles have pitted bores. In most places hunting season means bad weather and if you don't clean the bore until the end of the season-- well that most likely does explain the phenomenon of pitted bores. ;D

As long as you're using modern ammo & smokeless powder, even if you didn't clean your rifle for 20 years you wouldn't have a pitted bore.  I know this for a fact because I've seen it done many times.

Bull!!! Corrosive ammo hasn't been made since WWll but bores still pit if not kept dry and OILED, just ask my 30/30!
You may get away with sloppy maintenance on a .22 because the waxed bullet does somewhat protect the bore but shooting dry jacketed bullets will remove any protection after a single round fired. Guns rust on the outside when exposed to a damp climate, how on earth can anyone believe that only corrosive primers can rust the bore?
 I once looked over a Remington M600 in .222 Rem at a gun show. The bore looked like a brick chimney. The guy said "there's nothing wrong with that rifle, my friend keeps it out on the back porch and he's killed dozens of coyotes with it". Well, keeping it uncleaned on the back porch in Wisconsin would sure explain the  ruined bore, and .222 ammo has never been loaded with corrosive primers. On the used gun market I see far more pitted bores than not, especially among "eastern guns".
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 02:58:38 AM »
Don't get me wrong here I still clean my center fires Just not for the period of gun season, And only the one's I plan on hunting with. If they get wet or anything else happens to it it will get the bore swabbed and dried then refouled, They shoot better that way IMO.

The firearms I am not hunting with  are cleaned and oiled waiting they'er turn in the storage locker with dessicant pack to keep them company.

The big diffrence is (ther is a fancy word for this, hydroscopic maybe?) older corrosive ammo contains salts that attract water, they can cause corrosion overnite, Black powder also dose this. Modern powders do not, Gives you some room for hunting season.

I do treat my rimfires and centerfires completly diffrent thou.
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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2008, 03:30:32 AM »
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As long as you're using modern ammo & smokeless powder, even if you didn't clean your rifle for 20 years you wouldn't have a pitted bore.  I know this for a fact because I've seen it done many times.

I'm waving the BS flag on that one... And you talk about people shooting AR15's giving the sport a bad image...

My biggest pet peeve on this planet, is when I see a nice gun that hasn't been cleaned for a couple of seasons... Yeah, its ok to have a fouled bore for hunting, but after so many shots, the thing needs to be cleaned, not only for powder fouling, but copper fouling as well... and if the gun has been damp, at least wipe down the stock and metal w/ a dry rag, and follow up w/ some oil or wax, and then wipe off the excess... oil draws moisture just like anything else, I'm fond of using car wax on my scope metal, bbl, bolts and recievers b/c it repels the water quite nicely and makes the bolt throw very very smooth...

Usually when I get around to actually "cleaning" a gun, it takes me about an hour from start to finish. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2008, 05:15:11 AM »
I shot my 30-30AI yesterday to confirm zero before deer season opens, I also learned how it shoots from a cold, clean, oiled bore cuz I forgot to wipe it out before I left home and I didn't take a rod with me!! ::)  I only shot two rounds cuz that's more than enough to get the job done, I was pleased to say the least. ;D BTW, I made the scope adjustments here at home using the last target I shot when doing the load work, I have to say the Nikon Prostaff 2-7x32 shotgun scope tracks well, I wanted POI 2½" high at 100yds. ;)

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2008, 06:07:48 AM »
When I lived in Florida I cleaned and packed my guns away knowing I would not be using them for a while.  When I moved back to Alaska I got them out and both were ruined due to the pitting of the bores and also the outside rust.  Had to have both rebarreled.  Here in the Interior of Alaska things don't rust like they do in the lower 48, especially the eastern states.

Twice a year I take one day and do nothing but clean guns.  I empty all three vaults and clean and inspect everything.  I never find rusting on any of them.  A few that I left in Tennessee for several years have rusting and pitting just from being in the humidity of that eastern state.  They are no worse now than when I returned them back to Alaska.  Our dry conditions up here prevent any further deterioration.

When I was working on horse back down in New Mexico for four years I carried two Ruger .44 mag pistols and a Marlin .44 mag carbine everyday.  Seldom shot them but I had them both times when I needed them. Usually once a week I would sit down and spray them down with WD-40 and wipe them down.  I'd run a patch through the bore to remove sand and Gypsum, then put them back in the holsters.  One pistol for my hip, one pistol for a saddle holster, and the carbine hanging on the saddle.  I never oiled them, oil attracts sand and gypsum so I wanted and used them dry.  For four years those three guns never saw oil.  I still have one of those pistols and the carbine, and neither has any pitting or rust.  Not much bluing left either.
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2008, 07:07:31 AM »
Rog, ya need to use Eezox, it's the best, dries to a protective film that doesn't collect dust, lubricates and provides the best long term protection you can buy. I've been using it for about 20yrs, it's not easy to find locally, but worth the effort to mail order.  ;) Of course, cleaning guns is a labor or love, so WD40 reapplied regularlly with cleaning works for many old timers that swear by it, others swear at it!! :D I think if a person is the type to clean their guns after hunting season and put them away until next year's season rolls around, they'd be better off with something that provides long term protection like Eezox or BreakFree CLP. ;)

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2008, 03:01:23 AM »
I guess I'm just lucky.  The only pitted bores I've ever seen where on old military rifles & blackpowder guns.  I think more guns are ruined by cleaning that all other things combined.  With modern ammo, cleaning is pretty much unnecessary IMO.  I usually clean once a year right after hunting season.  My gun safe is in the bathroom closet.  I live in FL and leave the AC off as much as possible.  Just lucky I guess. ;)

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2008, 03:46:13 AM »
The only problem cleaning with WD-40 is if some of it comes in contact with your ammunition, say you don't get it all out of your chamber or bolt face.  It does work great at fending off moisture; that's what it's designed to do.  WD-40 will destroy ammunition, however.  It's what we use at work to kill old turn in ammunition that nobody wants.

I use the Eezoxx (or however it's spelled) and have been using it for about 10 years.  It works as a cleaner (so so), lubricant and preservative and in tests on another page, it had the best corrosion resistance on bare metal.  It is harder to find than Hoppe's or breakfree, but it's worth the hunt.  I just wish that the pressurized cans had more gas.  It seems that they always run out of pressure before the can's empty.  (gonna puncture the can I have now and put the rest into an oiler)

(Just realized that the links Quickdtoo posted has the same test I saw)

As an aside, a friend of mine is rough on his guns.  His deer gun is a Win. 70 in .25-06.  He said it was never really accurate, (bought used from a friend)  shooting 3-4" groups @100.   I took it, (after watching him hunt with it for 8 years) went to clean it and found that you could barely see down the barrel, due to all the powder fouling and mung.  I cleaned the barrel with boretech carbon cleaner then their Eliminator (cheap plug, sorry!) and found that there was what I considered a decent amount of rust in the grooves.  I then scrubbed the barrel with a bronze brush and Kroil (Can't use bronze brushes with eliminator, it eats em) and let it sit for a few hours, then repeated.   Did this a couple of times, and although it didn't remove all the pitting from the rust, it removed most of it. 

We went out to the range and shot some federal premium ammo and it gave 2" groups.  I loaded some Sierra gamekings for it and it then shot  1" groups.  We stopped there and packed it up.  I told him I'd load up some more.

Point being, sometimes just because the barrel's pitted doesn't necessarily mean that the barrel is ready to be trashed.  Try a good scrub on it, and maybe some JB's bore compound (which was going to be my next step if it didn't shoot) and see if it shoots. 

But maintenance is the key.  Don't let them get to this condition to start off with. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2008, 03:55:53 AM »
Swampman, I've seen you post that notion before and on a black powder site at that, before you got thrown off that site. Could you please explain to me how a gun can be "ruined" by cleaning it?  Sight unseen I would bet your bores are badly pitted, you just don't know it because you don't look at it. If you don't clean your bores how in hell would you know they aren't pitted?
  I'm not real anal about gun cleaning. I don't try to get every trace of copper out of my bore, just a brush with Hoppes, followed by a few patches to dry, followed by one patch or Ballistol and wipe down the exterior with that same patch. Still, I think I probably do treat my guns better than most. In spite of that the 30/30 which lived in a tent with me for a couple of Arizona winters picked up a few fine pits in the bore. Arizona is about as dry as anyplace in the U.S. and if bores pit there with moderate care there is absolutely no chance your totally neglected guns in Florida are anything but a mess. ;D
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2008, 04:08:23 AM »
Quick, I use Breakfree now before putting each gun away.
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2008, 05:10:30 AM »
BreakFree CLP I hope.

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2008, 05:51:23 AM »
Swampman, I've seen you post that notion before and on a black powder site at that, before you got thrown off that site. Could you please explain to me how a gun can be "ruined" by cleaning it?  Sight unseen I would bet your bores are badly pitted, you just don't know it because you don't look at it. If you don't clean your bores how in hell would you know they aren't pitted?
  I'm not real anal about gun cleaning. I don't try to get every trace of copper out of my bore, just a brush with Hoppes, followed by a few patches to dry, followed by one patch or Ballistol and wipe down the exterior with that same patch. Still, I think I probably do treat my guns better than most. In spite of that the 30/30 which lived in a tent with me for a couple of Arizona winters picked up a few fine pits in the bore. Arizona is about as dry as anyplace in the U.S. and if bores pit there with moderate care there is absolutely no chance your totally neglected guns in Florida are anything but a mess. ;D

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2008, 11:27:53 AM »

    A clean gun will not shoot worth a hoot. 
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You heard it here folks!
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 12:48:36 PM »
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You heard it here folks!

If this comes as a suprise to anyone, then clearly they know nothing about shooting.
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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2008, 01:53:41 PM »
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Bull!!! Corrosive ammo hasn't been made since WWll ...

30-06 Lake City was corrosive up until 1952 or 1953 (for what little it's worth).

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Re: Cold-bore shot
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2008, 05:49:57 PM »

    A clean gun will not shoot worth a hoot. 

Swampman you are really full of it.

BR shooters clean their guns after every 5 rounds plus maybe two or three sighters. The only exception is the shooter that use Moly plated bullets. But like myself I still clean after each relay. Keep your gun barrels spotless and they will shoot well. Oversize H&R barrels shoot better with a big build up of carbon. So cleaning them often maybe a waste of time

I still consider a barrel clean after ONE fouling shot out of a clean barrel. Since one shot does not create a buildup it only burns out the oil or solvent
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2008, 06:01:27 PM »
Had enough, huh Fred.  Good to hear you chime in, where you been hiding?  DP
RIP Oct 27, 2017

Handi's:22Shot, 22LR, 2-22Mag, 22Hornet, 5-223, 2-357Max, 44 mag, 2-45LC, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, 280, 25-06, 30-30, 30-30AI, 444Marlin, 45-70, AND 2-38-55s, 158 Topper 22 Hornet/20ga. combo;  Levers-Marlins:Two 357's, 44 mag, 4-30-30s, RC-Glenfields 36G-30A & XLR, 3-35 Rem, M-375, 2-444P's, 444SS, 308 MX, 338Marlin MXLR, 38-55 CB, 45-70 GS, XS7 22-250 and 7mm08;  BLR's:7mm08, 358Win;  Rossi: 3-357mag, 44mag, 2-454 Casull; Winchesters: 7-30 Waters, 45Colt Trapper; Bolt actions, too many;  22's, way too many.  Who says it's an addiction?