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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2008, 06:37:49 PM »
My vote is for the .243.  It rocks for deer and 'yotes any way you slice it.  I guess it also depends on the kind of hunting he does.  Where I'm at, hills and timber keep most shots inside 200 yds, so the extra range doesnt make much difference to me.  I've been using a .243 for years and its never done me wrong.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2008, 07:14:32 PM »
I've used both on deer and really can't see much difference between them.  I'd opt for the 243 every time, great bullet selection, accuracy, and plenty of power for any deer ever walked the planet.   The 25/06 has just never impressed me that much, didn't kill deer any deader, and wasn't nearly as accurate for me. 

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2008, 08:42:37 AM »
I agree with Swampman if your going for varments i would use a .223 cheaper for one and not such an overkill round, now there really is no such thing as overkill for varments but like i said why waist more money shooting more lead than needed at them? I honestly dont know much about th 25-06 but i own a howa 243 1500 that i pickeed up for $350 and it is by far for the price one of the best quality rifles i own with 100 gr bullets its great all around but not for long range on bigger game. Since i really have no expirience with the 25-06 i cant say much between the two!
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2008, 05:35:08 AM »
LOL THat's a no brainer .. A 25 06 is superior in every aspect of hunting. It's a super varmit round with 75 gr v max. A whitetail master with 100 gr ballistic tips. Shoots way flatter hits harder. Whats there to decide.Oh and if u think a 25 06 kicks buy a bb gun. They have mild recoil.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2008, 06:04:50 AM »
I agree with the others when saying either one will ultimately suit your needs.

I'll play devils advocate and outline some of the reasoning.

One argument between the two is null and void when the single shot is the platform. Action legnth argument is VOID.

You say he is a handloader, so can load either with anything available. Factory ammo availability selection argument is VOID.

The 25-06 will offer a better ballistic advantage in the really long shots. But you haven't mentioned the varmint being hunted. Its a better varminter for the bigger varmints like yotes at range. If smaller varmints are the target, its a closer match. But the still 25 has an advantage.

The performance on Big Game is almost void as this will be a secondary rifle in that regard. The man has a 30-06 as his primary rifle. Although if extream range is a possibility, the nod has to go with the 25-06 as it excels at long range (Over 300) and deer sized game. Under 300, either will keep venison in the freezer.

So, based on these thoughts, my choice slightly also leans for the 25-06. When I made this decision, I couldn't decide either, so I own both!!  ::) ;D  Good luck and hope to see him on here soon!!

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 Your completely entitled to your opinion. But, by your own definition your argument is all but completely BASELESS. As you have never even handled a handi!! It isn't fair to post so negatively. Not to the readers or yourself!! For what they do and what they cost, there isn't many others that offer SO MUCH bang for your hard earned dollar!!!
 Why and how can you diss ANYTHING with out experience with that item. Your sole argument is cost. Well, you have paid nothing for what you read here. (Unless you donate, that's different, its voluntary.)  I'll guaranty you, me and every one of us reading has or will, greatly benefit form ALL the knowledgeable contributors posting here daily.
 Yes, I love my handis and I am no hypocrite I can afford just about ANY firearm I would want. I have many many more expensive firearms, but the handi works and works well. Do yourself a favor, try one!!

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2008, 06:30:36 AM »
The Handi is alot of gun for the money and is rated for the same high power reloads as the Ruger #1&3. The Handi slug guns are the most accurate out there so there must be some quality.30-06/25-06 same case so for reloaders its a no brainer unless you just want to start collecting different sizes of brass

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »

Brithunter,
 Your completely entitled to your opinion. But, by your own definition your argument is all but completely BASELESS. As you have never even handled a handi!! It isn't fair to post so negatively. Not to the readers or yourself!! For what they do and what they cost, there isn't many others that offer SO MUCH bang for your hard earned dollar!!!
 Why and how can you diss ANYTHING with out experience with that item. Your sole argument is cost. Well, you have paid nothing for what you read here. (Unless you donate, that's different, its voluntary.)  I'll guaranty you, me and every one of us reading has or will, greatly benefit form ALL the knowledgeable contributors posting here daily.
 Yes, I love my handis and I am no hypocrite I can afford just about ANY firearm I would want. I have many many more expensive firearms, but the handi works and works well. Do yourself a favor, try one!!

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 I have no interest in a Handi none what-so-ever. I already have a Baikal MH18 break action single shot thank you and the barrel swopping idea of the Handi is useless here as you need a seperate variation on your Firearms certificate for each and every barrel. Under the law here each barrel is regarded as a pressure bearing componant so is licenable. If I am going to go to that hassle I would rather get a decent bolt action to compliment the collection.

  Reading the Handi forums I see the constant referneces to accuracy problems and mucking about with rubber washers etc to try and get them to shoot. I just cannot be bothered with all that especially as to my eyes their downright ugly. I also don't like the Contenders either a friend in the rifle club many years back showed me, very proudly, his new custom Contender in some .22 wilcat cartridge. It shot well but not with-standing being a custom gun it was not appealing to me in any way shape or form. Bruce still likes his Contenders and I still cannot see what he sees in them   ??? ::).

  As for baseless?  :o nope you only have to read forums dedicated to Handis to see the trouble folks have gettign decent accuracy and the photos do enough to tell me I don't need to bother with them.

    I still think that a decent bolt action rifle would be the better choice in answer to the OP. If you want a single shot then get a nice one. Your happy with yours and more power to you but for me they are not even in the "glimmer" ( think dieing candle) of interest field.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2008, 01:14:24 PM »
Your in England or Australia? I did not realize. the "paperwork" does change things a tad. I understand going thru the hassle is the same re-guardless of firearm. Switch barrels pose a different issue for you guys... As to your tastes, well if you just don't like the look, what can I say, to each his own, that's what makes the world go round. ;) :D

  But don't miss read, the "problems". Many of us just like to tinker and possibly squeeze out a bit more accuracy. I have a number of handi's that where very good right out of the box. I also have a couple that needed help.
 
What about your collection, Do you have any bolts with free floated barrels or bedded actions and barrels. How about pillar bedded stocks? NONE where factory additions until gunsmiths and home tinkers PROVED they where viable enhancements. Now they are standard fare on most models.

Here is some of my experiences with bolt guns:
 I have owned 5 Ruger rifles. NONE of them shot worth a darn. Four of them where adequate shooters when I sold them. Yup, you guessed it, I tinkered with them too. I have had 3 Winchesters. One went back to the factory twice as it wouldn't shoot better than 6" at 100 yards. That was a 243 Featherweight. I cryo'd the barrel, bedded the action, floated the barrel, re-crowned the barrel then adjusted the forend pressure. I loaded and shot everything available. FINALLY, after cutting and re-crowning the barrel and discovering Brigadier 4351 powder and 90Gr Speer bullets I got under 2" @ 100 yards. That was a beautiful rifle that wouldn't shoot. The other two shot well after bedding IIRC. I have owned 7 Remington bolts, from the 722 thru the current 700's. Most of them shot very good right from the box. ALL benefited from bedding and trigger adjustments and additions. I even had a couple anshutz rifles, one 22RF and one 22Hornet. The RF was sold to a friend that had to have it. My $100 Marlin Squirrel shot groups HALF its size!!!! The hornet was a good shooter, but it too would shoot the occasional flier. Hogging out the stock and bedding the action and first couple inches of barrel cured that right quick!!

I have sold guns for the better part of 20 years. I have seen allot, from NO rifling to missing parts. Does any of that "sour" me the the accuracy of bolt rifles, not in the slightest. Things need to be checked and tinkered with to make them what they are truly capable of.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2008, 11:58:49 PM »
Hi cwlongshot ,

       I am from England and live out on the East Coast now and so have to deal with the most stupid and dictatorial Police Firearms Licensing Department possibly in the whole country  >:( this bunch don't care what the law says they make it up as they go along  :o ::).

   Now the majority of my rifles are as they came from the factory a couple were free floated that was one of them has been a major pain to get consisitancy out of. This one is a Parker-Hale 1200V (Varmint) with a heavy barrel chambered for 6mm Remington. I got it used as I didn't have a 1200V chamberign didn't matter to me but it was nearly a year before I could shoot it. Didn't realise just how difficult it would be to get 6mm Rem componants  ::) and it was only a couple of weeks back that I fianlly managed to obtain some factory (Winchester) 100 grain 6mm Rem ammo. We even tried orderign from the Remington importers but gave up after waiting months with no sign of any ammo plus they want ridiculas amounts of money for it. How about $200 for 100 rounds  :o.

   So it turns out that a previous owner had tried to improve the factory bedding ( plastic bedded and free floated from the factory) the bedding material was no longer adhering to the wood so I removed it and used a brownells Glasbed kit to re-do the bedding. The rifle now shoots consistantly even if it's not as accurate as I thought a heavy barreled varmint rifle would be, but then we have no way of knowing how many bullets have gone down that bore  ??? I have fired over 500 in testing and load developmentbut now it will shoot 15 rounds in a group of 1.2" which I shot on Sunday in far from ideal conditions as the sun was shining right into the scope.

   The other factory floated rifle is a Mauser M96 Slide Bolt in 6.5x55 and apart from cleaning and adding the scope and mounts it's as it came out of the box. it seems to prefer the 140 grain bullets rather than the 120 grain Speers that I like.

    I am not impressed by the "Free Float" mantra that chanted as the cure all. before I realised it was a lot of smoke and mirrors I did free float a sporterised Swedish Mauser that i brought, it's one of those commercially adapted ones done by a firm in the US however we are unable to say for certain which firm did it. However it's accurate, I di have the bolt handle changed as the firm who cadapted it just bent the original down and it was a might short and required really high mounts.

   Funnily enough the most accurate rifle I own is tightly bedded in a nice walnut stock and it was done by hand with no fillers used  ;D however as it is a bespoke bench made rifle and a one off it's not a production model  ;) not lie the BSA CF2's I have or the P-H 1100's. I did have a new P-H 1200 Super bedded as it was made during the take over period which led to Parker-Hale's demise and the quality of the inlettign work was very poor which showed on the targets as it shot groups of 2"-3" at 100 yards so i carved out soem wood and bedded it but accidently put in a bit too much and ended up with a floated barrel. So after it all cured I tried it at the range and was embarressed to discover that it now shot 6"-8" groups like that. So card shims were added under the barrel at the fore tip until the groups shrank down to MOA then it was sent off to ahev a professional job done on it with that pressure on the barrel. Les who did the job has done it well and it is unoticable to the eye that it's bedded but it now shoots MOA with Privi Partesen 196 grain SP ammo, it's chambered in 7.92mm, if P-h had still been in operation the rifle would have been returned to them for correction but I brought it several years after then closed. The 7.92mm was a special export run and a few made it onto the market here and one dealer seemed to get them all. I remembered the advert and phoned them on the off chance and they still had a couple left  ;D.

   I have one more rifle that will go the Les for renovation this time it's a 1960's BSA Majestic Featherweight in 243 that has the BESA recoil reducer machined into the muzzle which is why i brought it. It;s the only one I had seen in the flesh so to speak and as a bonus it had the "Range Adaptor" fitted which is a sleeve that covers the BESA to shut it off to make it quieter for covered range use. A previous owner had been taken in by the free float mantra and tried to do so but in fact they ruind the inletting and the action was rocking liek a see saw in the stock. The barrel channel had been so hogged out that I had to use wood filler to bring it back  ::) and I used the same filler to bed the action and on testing the rifle was not very accurate. So careful examination revealed heavy copper fouling and on removing the "Range Adaptor" I found very heavy powder fouling in the BESA slots. I doubt it had ever been cleaned. I had to resort to drastic measures to remove it and it took a week to clean the barrel with copper remover. After cleaning the rifle shot much better so instead of attacking the bedding the previous owner would have ben betetr off cleaning the bore  ;).

   Once I save some money up the rifle will go off to Les for a renovation and regulation to shoot factory 100 grain ammo, probably Federal, and with some luck he will be able to restore the stock and inletting so it looks like it did as it came from the factory if not I am afraid we are looking at a replacement stock  :'( which is a pity as it's a nice piece of honey coloured walnut on it now.

  None of my 22LR rifles have been tinkered with except one which I cut the barrel back to 16 1/2" and threaded it 1/2" UNF for a sound Moderator they are as they came to me and  for are as they left the factory one a BSA 12/15 Martini has had the butt shortened by a preivous owner and they all shoot betetr than I do almost. The almost is a BSA No1A pattern single shot bolt action made pre WW1 that has a corroded bore probably due to black powder however it will still shoot well under 1" groups at 25 metres. More usage might improve this but at present it's on my licence for "Collection Only" and not shooting so I only tested it just after acquiring it.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2008, 10:25:27 AM »
Sounds like you have some mighty nice rifles there!!! I wish we where closer, I would love to see your collection. I can only imagine the hours and hours we would spend talking.

I know what you mean about the free float cure all folks. It DOES sometimes. BUT you MUST have good bedding for the action other wise you get what you have seen with the action (Which is the foundation) moving all over the place. Consistency is key. ;)

 Something else I fooled with that worked wonderfully... Ruger 10-22 semi auto rifle. I installed a heavy barrel and because the action is so light and not even made of steel. I choose to bed the complete barrel channel, add a second mounting stud. Then mount the scope to the barrel and fineally, FLOAT THE ACTION!!! WOW, did I have a awesome shooter!!!!


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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2008, 11:41:07 PM »
Hi GW,

    Reply sent, and thank you for the kind thought.

     My small collection is a source of constant friction with the Local Police who say I have too many so unless by trading off something has now come to a halt growth wise and it's far from being finished. I only have a few pieces that are of antique status even if the Police here don't accept them as such, I did say they were stupid, as there are several models of rifles by BSA and Parker-Hale which I don't have such as:-

BSA Hi Power model 1923
BSA Monarch 2nd pattern
BSA Regent
BSA Viscount
BSA Hunter
BSA Imperial

Parker-Hale 1200 TX (Single shot target rifle)
P-H M81 Classic
P-H Scout
P-H M81 cadet
P-H M82 Marksman/Sniper
P-H M85 Sniper
P-H M87 Police counter sniper. Heavy Varmint rifle
P-H 1000 Std
P-H Safari
P-H Super Safari
P-H 1200 SC
P-H 2100 Midland
P-H M84 Either Canberra or Bisley version

  Then I am still looking for a good Ross M10 or 1910 sporting rifle in 280 Ross

   Now back to the original post  ;) the 25-06 never found acceptance here in the UK much in fact you just don't see them and Parker-Hale only offered as far as I can tell that chambering in the model 1200 which was aimed at the US market. However the 243 is very common and just about every one offers it. Just checked and BSA also didn't offer the 25-06 and only made a very limited numer in the 1950's of 257 Roberts chambered rifles. The quarter bore just didn't find favor here. I did consider looking for one once some years ago but on researching it and speaking to a few who had actually used one I dropped the idea after all I already had a 270 win.

So I would still stick with the 243 win as my choice between the two.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2008, 04:48:55 PM »
Hi GW,

    Reply sent, and thank you for the kind thought.

     My small collection is a source of constant friction with the Local Police who say I have too many so unless by trading off something has now come to a halt growth wise and it's far from being finished. I only have a few pieces that are of antique status even if the Police here don't accept them as such, I did say they were stupid, as there are several models of rifles by BSA and Parker-Hale which I don't have such as:-

BSA Hi Power model 1923
BSA Monarch 2nd pattern
BSA Regent
BSA Viscount
BSA Hunter
BSA Imperial

Parker-Hale 1200 TX (Single shot target rifle)
P-H M81 Classic
P-H Scout
P-H M81 cadet
P-H M82 Marksman/Sniper
P-H M85 Sniper
P-H M87 Police counter sniper. Heavy Varmint rifle
P-H 1000 Std
P-H Safari
P-H Super Safari
P-H 1200 SC
P-H 2100 Midland
P-H M84 Either Canberra or Bisley version

  Then I am still looking for a good Ross M10 or 1910 sporting rifle in 280 Ross

   Now back to the original post  ;) the 25-06 never found acceptance here in the UK much in fact you just don't see them and Parker-Hale only offered as far as I can tell that chambering in the model 1200 which was aimed at the US market. However the 243 is very common and just about every one offers it. Just checked and BSA also didn't offer the 25-06 and only made a very limited numer in the 1950's of 257 Roberts chambered rifles. The quarter bore just didn't find favor here. I did consider looking for one once some years ago but on researching it and speaking to a few who had actually used one I dropped the idea after all I already had a 270 win.

So I would still stick with the 243 win as my choice between the two.

For a person in the UK, that would have a bearing on things, but it has absolutly zero relevance to us. I live in AR & here and neighboring states, TX in particular, the 25-06 is extremely popular & that does have relevance. And I have used the 25-06 for many, many Whitetails, Mule Deer & Antelope & it is a far better choice than the 243. The 243 will work though, if you are a little more picky with bullets & realize you just don't have the longer range energy, you will be ok.
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2008, 10:54:25 AM »
Back when (mid-1960's) the 25/06 was a Wildcat, I opted to build a 243/06 Wildcat & still love it.

I would go with the 243 WIN over the 25/06 for varmints & deer.
For deer or elk, I hand-load the new Remington corelokt ultra bonded bullet.
Aim for the opposite shoulder & high on the shoulder, that will get the spine & the shoulders anchoring the deer or elk.

I tried those corelokt ultra's in the 243 WIN on milk & laundry jugs & they held together with the best penetration & weight retention of any, including partitions.

At very close range shooting with my 243/06 Wildcat the 95 gr Hornady SST bullets totally fragmented & left only the copper jacket.
WI DNR using x-rays found a lot of lead fragments in deer meat & recommended using bonded bullets or all copper bullets to reduce lead poisoning.
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2008, 05:12:03 PM »
Most posts laud whatever caliber the writer has used the most. Each has its place. The .243 is great at coyote sized game and more than enough for small to medium deer at ranges most would consider shooting. I would wonder about putting a .243 through a huge shoulder at 400 yards as there simply isn't enough residual energy to do what a bullet is supposed to do after bucking all that air. The .25-06 is a magnum even though it wasn't named the "Rem .25 magnum". It will easily dispatch a deer at 400, 500 or if you are a good shot at 600 yards (That's half a mile away!) and can be held dead on to 350 yards with most loads. 

For most hunters, in most situations, either will suffice. However, this forum has many serious shooters who like to push the envelope. The .25-06 has the capacity to do that well. On the other hand, I'm a .25-06 user that's shopping for a .243 to use where I know ranges will be shorter & where the noise of the .25-06 is an issue. I consider the .243 a youth or specialty deer caliber since it isn't appropriate for all deer hunting situations. Then again, where it is appropriate it's a sweet round that's easy to shoot very well.

Hope this helps!

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2008, 11:56:26 PM »
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It will easily dispatch a deer at 400, 500 or if you are a good shot at 600 yards (That's half a mile away!) and can be held dead on to 350 yards with most loads.

Errr since when has a mile only had 1200 yards in it?

I One Mile = 1760 yards. So half of that is 880 yards not 600.

 600 yards is in fact only 1/3 of a mile.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2009, 11:32:16 AM »
25 06 all the way ,,, in pennsslyvania they have 1000 yd matches with 2506's yearly actually it does real well contact them they'll tell ya all about them.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2009, 03:05:14 PM »

  The 25-06 is too loud!   :-)

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2009, 03:42:55 PM »
I have found that out West where I hunt or around home in AR after Whitetails there aren't many folks around to hear it.  ;)
I like that alot & I leave the more "developed" areas to the civilized folk!  ;D

I also haven't noticed the "noise" for the following reasons:

1. When I am at the range or just shooting I wear good hearing protection.
2. When I shoot at Game I don't hear even my bigger guns
3. I shoot bigger, louder guns too, but again with good hearing protection.

I see where noise could be a factor in settled areas in the East, but the 243 is not whisper quite either, don't see it as much of an issue when comparing these 2 rounds, either way I am glad I don't have to worry with such matters.
 
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2009, 12:31:22 AM »
I started out hunting with a .243 close to 40 years ago, and used it for 20 years. Then I moved up to other bigger things as funds would allow.

I now own at least two of each caliber and they all have their specific niche's to fill. The .243 has the advantage of more bullet weights, however they overlap for general purpose shooting. Unless your shoot BR one would probably never notice the difference in the varmint weight bullets performance. As to the upper end bullets, about as heavy as one can go with the standard twist is 100 possibly 105grs. With these the ranges are suitable for out to 300yd shots on deer and yotes might squeek out a little further.

With the 25's, there is limited varmint bullets, however one would do best using the 100gr pills, as a dual load. IF hand loading you have the choice of up to 120gr bullets which for game up to elk at reasonable ranges will do the job fine. However where it rally shines in my experience is using the mid weight bullets from 110 - 117. These can be driven to top end velocities and have the BC necessary to carry a LONG ways. They are the mainstay load for my rifles, and  have performed  extremely well out to 450yds on deer and other critters.

They both have great factory offerings, however either can easily be loaded for with plenty of data and components. Cases can be purchased new or reformed from the parent cases of the '06 and .308 as a cost saver.

As to the noise and recoil, They both require hearing protection when shot at the range, and recoil between the two is hardly worth mentioning except in the lightest of rifles. Even then the 25's aren't too bad. My daughter shot her first buck at age 9 out past 180yds using my 25 and the recoil didn't bother her one bit. She now has it and has made many one shot stops out past 250 yds on deer, yotes, and hogs all using the same load with the 115gr Nosler Partition. 

Either will not disappoint you no matter the choice, however the game intended to be taken should be the deciding factor. The heavier bullets will allow more versility than the lighter weights.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2009, 02:48:21 AM »
41 mag, well said!!
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2009, 05:18:15 PM »
I have both and am beginning to think the 25-06 with 120 grainers has more recoil than my CZ550 in 6.5x55 shooting 140 grains.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2009, 06:43:16 AM »
If your buddy's worried about deer with the 243 tell him not to.I took four whitetails this year with my Daughter's Mohawk 243.Two bucks n two does and two of them out over 100yds.One shot each with 100grn cheap factory core-locts.
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2009, 03:43:01 AM »
Both are very good calibers for larger varmit and mid size big game. The 25 caliber gives you a bit more versatality on the larger game and the 243 more on the smaller size varmits. I would not chose either as my primary varmit caliber as there are better options - think 204, 223 or 22-250. The NEF in 25:06 Ultimate Hunter has extra length in the barrel which makes it handle like a 20 in. barreled rifle instead of an 18 like other NEF's. Being a fan of single shots I has had several handi's in a variety of calibers and have found them to be accurate and fun to shoot. If they has a Savage adjustable trigger they would be unbeatable for single shots but the Ruget #1's put them to shame in the trigger and looks department.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2009, 10:41:30 AM »
277284- i think you're right. the 25-06 loaded heavy as opposed to the swede lobbing its bullet.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2009, 10:59:55 AM »
I just thought I'd mention that I just got a Stevens model 200 in .243 for a little under $300.  As most know, its the same barreled action that savage uses on everything else less the accu-trigger and fitted with a cheap synthetic stock.  I'd be willing to say its the best deal I've found on a field grade hunting rifle in a long time.  That being said, I chose the .243 because its a cartridge that I've been using for a long time and had a lot of success with.  In terms of a versatile rifle for varmint and deer hunting, I think .243 offers a lot more in terms of flexibility.  It's just about the perfect balance between a varmint cartridge and a deer cartridge.  I would consider the 25-06 if the deer he's hunting tend to be on the monster side, but .243 packs enough to do the job in almost every circumstance, and its not quite overkill for varmints.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2009, 02:19:28 PM »
I've got a Rem.660 chambered for .243 with a weaver v9 on it. It'll keep my 100 grain Hornady handloads INSIDE a dime all day long. My Sierra 75 grain hp's group just a tad bigger than that. I've shot over 50 whitetails, muledeer, and antelope with it and have never had to follow any more than 50 yards. I whack'em right behind the shoulder (lung shot) and they usually drop right there. Some of my shots in Wyoming have been close to 400 yards. When i open them up to gut them , the lungs look like melted jello. I love this little s.o.b.!!! It's nice and short for hunting the brush and mountains and weighs around 7 pounds. But it'll still reach out there when it has to!!! It's my "go to" gun when i only have a limited amount of time to hunt. I know it'll do the job if I do mine.Years ago,alot of my buddies used to make fun of my little "squirrel gun"  but you know what? I haven't heard a word out of them for years.Proofs in the pudding I guess!! I don't have many bullets exit but it's like a handgrenade went off in them when it hits. To each their own.

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2009, 03:39:14 AM »
One of the posts above mentioned it took several Partition bullets to bring down an elk cow. Presuming they were good hits, it would be an indication to me that I need something bigger for elk. ;)

Having had two 25-06's in the past, one a Ultra and the other a quality bolt, neither shot as good as I hoped.  The Ultra was one of four H&R/ NEF products I had. Of those four, only one of them shot well right out of the box without any fiddling around. That is only 25 % satisfaction. I switched to a Savage in .243 for my light caliber. Haven't had a chance to try it, I am not going to shovel my way to the range at this time of the year.
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2009, 05:40:05 AM »
Remington 100 grain bullets 243 cal.?



Can anyone mic: a 100 grain bullet for me and tell the lenght of it ?
100 grain remington core-lock in 243 cal>?

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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2009, 07:32:11 AM »
Having seen this request on two forums recently and also in the past I'll dig some 100 gr. Corelokts out and mike them but I would like to hear why. The length of the bullet varies in my box of bullets from 1.048 to 1.055. This depends on nose condition I figure.
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Re: .243 or 25-06 Your Thoughts.
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2009, 04:21:18 AM »
if you allready have an .06 then you don't need to worry about having another gun for moose or elk. I have shot a lot of deer with my .243 and never had any problems. I also love it as a varmit gun. however if you are shooting coyotes and want to save the hide go with the biger harder bullets that you would use for deer. the small bullets blow a massive hole coming out the other side. and if someone says the .243 is to small for deer it has more to do with shot placement than anything. I have seen deer gutshot with a 7mm mag and still run 6 miles.