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Plugs and wires?
« on: September 02, 2008, 02:39:53 PM »
I have a 93 GMC 2500 Vandura with the 5.7 (350) liter engine in it. I bought it back in February for $900.00. It had 145,700 or so Miles on it when I bought it. It now has 148,500 miles on it. I have dumped about $900.00 in repairs since I bought it. I have to say it is a money pit but is really running great now. Just to fill you in on the repairs made so far I will list them.
1-  Fuel pump.
2-  Alternator.
3- Cooling lines that go to the transmission.
4-  Bushing between the engine and transmission. Leaking fluid very bad. They had to pull the transmission to do the work. Big money >:( :o
5-  Serpentine belt.
6-  Thought it was the alternator again. Turned out to be a bearing in a pulley below the alternator. Witch probably caused the belt to break.
7-  Airfilter.
8-  Oil change.
I am trying to squeeze every mile I can out of this van because I can not afford to buy another truck or van for work right now. I am driving anywhere from 300 miles to 600 miles a week for work, depending where the job is. I want to replace the plugs, wires, roter and distributor cap maybe next week. I see spark plugs that cost up to $25.00 a piece. This is the high end and I can't afford them anyways but they claim much better gas millage. They say in a year the spark plugs will pay for themselves. I think I will probably go with cheaper plugs ( BOSH ) in the $6.00 range. If I remember right they also claim better gas  milage. What do you think? As far as wires go should I buy the $36.00 wires or the $18.00 wires? With the $6.00 plugs and the more expensive wires along with a roter and cap, they said it would cost $102.00 plus tax. What do you guys think. My wife is already pissed at the money I have put in this van almost weekly. Dale
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Re: Plugs and wires?
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 02:44:50 PM »
Personally I would buy the cheeper plugs and the better wires

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 02:57:47 PM »
+1.  I've tried about every plug out there and haven't noticed much if any increase in the gas mileage of any of the cars after a couple of weeks of driving.  The platinum wire plugs seem to last longer without burning the gap up, but I have gave up on the high dollar ones.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 03:03:47 PM »
Thanks guys keep it coming. This is what I want to know. I don't have much money to waste and would not spending a little more if it saves me in the long run. Dale
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 03:17:32 PM »
A fuel filter can be an item that will increase mileage for a low cost.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 03:32:35 PM »
Thanks. That is one item that I did not list to my list of repairs. When they replaced the fuel pump they also replaced the fuel filter. Thanks and keep them coming. Dale
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 03:38:23 PM »
I do have some good news though. Last week when they pulled my transmission to fix the seal between the engine and transmission. They said the filter was filthy but no signs of metal shavings. He said it shifts good and seems to be fine. He also thew in there it is old though and don't hammer it. I do not hammer anything I drive so I should be fine. Dale
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 03:44:43 PM »
Oh yea I forgot to bring this up. I have no idea if this is the orinagal engine or not but it does run well and out of the 3,000 or so miles I have put on it I have only had to add a quart of oil. That is good right? Dale
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 03:45:59 PM »
Yep, that's a good call.  Also the air filter and pcv valve, and proper tire pressure is a huge factor, believe it or not, both in gas mileage and tire life.  Run your tires about 5lbs high and you'll get better gas mileage, but in a heavy duty truck, I'm hesitate to run anything other than the recommeded pressure for the tires.

The thing about the Chevy 350, that motor's bullet proof.  With what you've done to it, and keeping the fluids full and regular oil changes, it'll last 4-ever.  Another you thing you might do (doesn't help gas mileage) that will help the motor last longer is to use Lucas Oil Treatment or Motorkote Engine Treatment.  They both work great for preventing dry starts and reducing engine wear.  Lucas Oil is cheaper, but you have to add it to every oil change.  The MotorKote is good for 4 oil changes, but it costs about 3 times as much.  I've used Lucas for years in my work trucks and personal vehicles. I tried MotorKote last time out because the store I was at was out of the Lucas Oil Treatment.  Both of these products can be used in oil crankcases, trannys, and differentials/transfer cases, just follow the instructions on the bottle.

I have noticed an immediate improvement in my 93 F150 4x4 5.0 V8 in starting and idling, and I think that the mileage has improved a bit, but I really haven't checked it.  My work truck is a 2003 NPR 20' straight truck with the 6.0 Chevy motor, I added what was left of the bottle to it, but it wasn't enough per the instructions, there was 8oz left, and a V8 gets 16oz.  I haven't noticed anything big in it as of yet.

About your tranny filter...did they change it too?  Also, did they put the old fluid back in it, or did they use new fluid?  If a tranny has never had the fluid replaced, sometimes new fluid will loosen things up as it dissolves any build-ups that may have occured, which will definitely gum up your filter over time.

In an older motor, a quart or two between oil changes isn't unusual at all.

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 04:08:23 PM »
the better plug wires,AC plugs, a new cap and rotor. the things you have replaced is pretty normal for that many miles. good luck

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 04:11:41 PM »
Yep, that's a good call.  Also the air filter and pcv valve, and proper tire pressure is a huge factor, believe it or not, both in gas mileage and tire life.  Run your tires about 5lbs high and you'll get better gas mileage, but in a heavy duty truck, I'm hesitate to run anything other than the recommeded pressure for the tires.

The thing about the Chevy 350, that motor's bullet proof.  With what you've done to it, and keeping the fluids full and regular oil changes, it'll last 4-ever.  Another you thing you might do (doesn't help gas mileage) that will help the motor last longer is to use Lucas Oil Treatment or Motorkote Engine Treatment.  They both work great for preventing dry starts and reducing engine wear.  Lucas Oil is cheaper, but you have to add it to every oil change.  The MotorKote is good for 4 oil changes, but it costs about 3 times as much.  I've used Lucas for years in my work trucks and personal vehicles. I tried MotorKote last time out because the store I was at was out of the Lucas Oil Treatment.  Both of these products can be used in oil crankcases, trannys, and differentials/transfer cases, just follow the instructions on the bottle.

I have noticed an immediate improvement in my 93 F150 4x4 5.0 V8 in starting and idling, and I think that the mileage has improved a bit, but I really haven't checked it.  My work truck is a 2003 NPR 20' straight truck with the 6.0 Chevy motor, I added what was left of the bottle to it, but it wasn't enough per the instructions, there was 8oz left, and a V8 gets 16oz.  I haven't noticed anything big in it as of yet.

About your tranny filter...did they change it too?  Also, did they put the old fluid back in it, or did they use new fluid?  If a tranny has never had the fluid replaced, sometimes new fluid will loosen things up as it dissolves any build-ups that may have occured, which will definitely gum up your filter over time.

In an older motor, a quart or two between oil changes isn't unusual at all.
I just changed the oil for the first time since I owned it this past Saturday. I had them put a quart of Slick 50 high mileage to it at the time. I am sure I am going to get some people here that do not approve of this product but I have added it to every truck I have driven. I have had good results and never had a motor blow up on me. Now let me tell you guys a little story about slick 50. This is what made me start using it in the first place. This was just after hurricane Andrew and I was working in south FL. I worked for a guy that just put Slick 50 in his Ford F250 truck. It was in there maybe a week or so when he said that the warranty would be up on his truck before long. Being the crook that he was he drained all the oil from his truck into a container. We rode around south Miami for over 2 hours ( with out any oil in it ) before his engine blew up. He replaced the oil and called the Ford garage. They never did figure out how the motor went. They did have questions to say the least but they did replace his engine. The funny thing is after the replacement the guy that filled the oil did not tighten the oil filter and he blew the new engine up after only 25 miles or so. When I had the transmission worked on last week they did put new fluid and a new filter in it as well. Thanks Dale
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Re: Plugs and wires?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 12:06:54 AM »
best plug for a gm is ac delcos. the expenesive plugs may work but they arent going to give you enough better gas milage to recoup the cost of them.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 10:00:35 AM »
I'm like you, I don't care what people say about Slick 50, it works great.  The only thing I don't like about it is the PTFE (teflon) can make your seals dry out and shrink, causing leaks.  When it first came out, my dad was the QC manager at a local Ford Truck (big trucks) factory that rebuilt fleet vehicle motors, both gas and diesel.  One day, he took a motor that had just passed inspection, added Slick 50 to the motor, ran it for a couple of hours, then drained the oil and the coolant, and ran the motor for over an hour at it's highest RPM.  They took it back apart and inspected and found no damage to it at all.  I'd say that's a darn good testament for it.

Here's another one.  After he did that test, he bought a new 87 Chrysler Reliant K with the 2.5L 4 cyl motor.  All he ever did to that car was change the oil every 5000 miles (Quaker State 10w30) and add a quart of Slick 50 every 50,000 miles.  He never changed the transmission fluid, coolant, nothing else, unless a part needed to be replaced or repaired.  He did change the plugs and wires on a regular basis too.  We put over 700,000 (yes, you read it right- 700,000) miles on that car before he bought a different one.  He loaned the K car to a friend for his wife to drive.  He told them, be sure to check the oil and tranny fluid every week, it'll use a quart of oil a week (mostly leaks from the seals) and you'll have to add tranny fluid every couple of weeks too.  (By this time, the car was 11-12 years old and it'd paid for itself several times over, so he didn't care about adding oil every week, still cheaper than buying another car  ;))  Well, this guys dingle-berry wife just drove the car on and on, even after it started making "funny noises".   When she finally killed it, it was just rolling over 750,000 miles.   :o :o

Years later, I was a manager for Valvoline Instant Oil Change.  Of course, when you bring your car into one of those places, there are many things that you "need" to have done, right?  I used to think about that K car and wonder just what services that we sold were a load of malarky....  I ended up quitting because I hated selling people services that they might not actually need to have done, sure, it didn't hurt the vehicle to do them, but why let people waste money??

"The funny thing is after the replacement the guy that filled the oil did not tighten the oil filter and he blew the new engine up after only 25 miles or so."

ROFLMAO, ha ha, serves his right for being a butthead.   ;D

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 03:10:51 PM »
used to work at a gm dealership go ahead and spend the money for the acdelco plugs,wires,cap,and rotor. Ive had to replace too many cheap sets of wires and caps. Its better to spend the money now than have to pull the doghouse off again and waste time. as mentioned earlier be sure to replace your fuel filter.

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 03:20:20 PM »
used to work at a gm dealership go ahead and spend the money for the acdelco plugs,wires,cap,and rotor. Ive had to replace too many cheap sets of wires and caps. Its better to spend the money now than have to pull the doghouse off again and waste time. as mentioned earlier be sure to replace your fuel filter.
Yes that is my plan to replace the items with quality parts. I did have the fuel filter replaced when they replaced the fuel pump a few months back. Thanks Dale
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