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Offline cccombo

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Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« on: August 02, 2008, 04:05:54 PM »
Do you guys Reload differently for your semi's and pump's than you do for bolt actions?

Does anyone use neck dies?

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2008, 02:21:50 AM »
I've owned my Rem 760 (pump) for over 40 years but I just bought my bolt action last fall. Both are 270 win. So far I've been using the same loads with good results. I don't have a neck sizer so I can't help you there but I've been told they don't work very good in a pump or auto.
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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2008, 06:05:03 AM »
 Neck sizer dies are essentially a bolt action only game. Semis and pumps don't have the powerful camming action of a bolt gun needed to cram neck sized cartridges into and out of the chamber.

 For my pump I FL resize everything and treat everything else like a bolt gun

On an autoloader powder burnrate must also be taken into consideration as the port pressure must be correct to either ensure reliable function and or not damage the rifle itself.

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2008, 08:32:32 AM »
I don't see why a artillery type bolt isn't as strong as a two or more lug bolt. If it is designed and fitted properly there is a lot of metal to metal contact.Browing BAR's handles Magnum cartridges just as well as any bolt action.
Re powders. The only thing I have ever seen in writing are cautions particular for the M1 Garand
My pump and auto are both in 30-06 so I use a small base die. Never had feeding or extraction problems.
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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 03:08:55 PM »
I've had a Rem 742 since 1967.  I don't use it much any more, but I've shot a lot of reloads through it.  This is what I've learned.  Use a small base die, a medium pressure load, check for trim length every time you size, and aim carefully.  Deer will fall.

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 02:10:31 AM »
APM RM:  You can either load differently for your semi and then use the same loadings in your bolt rifle, or you can load differently for each.  It just depends on what you want to do. 

Reloading for a semi requires the use of faster burning powders, such as the IMR 3031, 4895, 4064 which are also used to create factory duplication loads from the Lyman reloading manuals.  These faster buring powders create sufficient pressures rapidly enough to enable the semi-auto action to function properly.  You can load heavier for pumps and bolts if you wish.  Here's an example for the 30-06 with a 180 gn slug - for a semi you might wish to use 3031, 4895 or 4064 which gets you into the upper 2600+'/sec range or slightly better and these loads will function your rifle at factory pressures.  For my bolt rifles I use a heavier charge of IMR 4350 for about 2800'/sec with the same bullet - almost makes me wonder if I really need that extra 125+'/sec, ya know what I mean????  Pumps can be loaded the same as a bolt rifle. 

You also need to pay attention to the cartridge overall length with a semi.  Some bolts andpossibly pumps too may have long throats which enable you to load the bullet out far enough just to kiss the rifling and you may be able to do that with a semi, depending on the individual rifle but you may also find yourself limited to factory cartridge length to assure positive functioning.  HTH.  Mikey.

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 02:31:58 AM »
APM Rm - sorry, forgot to add that heavier loads such as the Hornady Light Magnums for example are not recommended for semi-autos.  They are loaded with heavier charges of slower burning powders designed to obtain the higher velocities the advertize but those slower burning powders may not cycle your semi-auto action.  Mikey.

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 07:09:09 AM »
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but those slower burning powders may not cycle your semi-auto action.

 Typically slower powders will generate much much higher port pressure than faster powders due to the longer pressure curve, possibly resulting in firearm damage from overly energetic cycling. Powders that are too fast typically cause short stroking. This is why you NEVER use a powder slower than imr4350 in a Garand. Nowadays though  the only powder semiautomatic reloader needs to know about is VARGET



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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 01:53:16 AM »
Thanks Guys  ;) Big help! 8)

I'm wanting to start loading for my .308 Remington 7600 and wondering what dies i should get

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 02:56:19 AM »
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the name brand dies. I have RCBS, Lyman, & Lee. I guess I favor the RCBS but have no problem with any of them.
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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 09:40:58 AM »
If you can get small base dies in 308 and they don't want an arm and leg for them, I would get them.
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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 05:37:30 AM »
YOU HAVE TO USE SMALL BASE DIES IN PUMPS'S & SEMI-AUTO'S ... or you'll have problems.
Take it from one who's been there.  ;)

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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 12:53:04 PM »
I loaded for a 760 30-06 for over twenty years and now a 7mm-08 7600 I have had for five years and use standard FL dies. I never had a problem with either.
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Re: Reloading for Semi's and Pump's
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2008, 08:55:10 AM »
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YOU HAVE TO USE SMALL BASE DIES IN PUMPS'S & SEMI-AUTO'S ... or you'll have problems.
Take it from one who's been there.

I've NEVER used a set of SB dies for pumps autos and levers, all that's needed is proper sizing die adjustment. Every so often threads pop up where someone thinks they need a SB die set and once they start adjusting their FL die properly the prieceved need for SB dies always magically disappears.

Heck try finding a set of SB dies for 6.5x55 or 7.5x54mas