Marlin Guide Guns...Ported Barrels

[RIFLE MAN]

Does anyone know if the ported barrels of the Marlin 1895 guide Guns are really designed to reduce recoil or muzzle jump? Is it true that the recoil pads on the Guide Guns are so hard that they actually make the recoil feel more wicked?

Thanks,
Rifle Man  

[KN]

Yes, and Yes. The ports will deffinetly help with muzzle jump. The recoil pad on mine was the first to go. Pachmyer Decellerator is the way to go. Fun to shoot but about 25rds and I'm ruined for the day. I'll start shakin every time I start to squeeze the trigger. If I'm at the range I always save it for last to shoot .  KN

[Robert]

He said it kicked harder as a Carbine than a pistol....I bet the rifle stock and scope are way more accurate.

[KN]

I found just the opposite to be the case. Because of the severe recoil when set up as a rifle I wasn't able to hit nearly as accurately as I can with it set up as a pistol.  KN

[Mikey]

Fellas:  thanks for the insights and the posts.  My two most recent big bore purchases are both in 444, both Winchesters, one a Timber Carbine and the other a Black Shadow (synthetic stock).  Thanks to your experiences they will both get De-accelerator recoil pads and my shoulder will benefit from the PAST recoil shield as well as my padded shooting jacket before I even pull the trigger of either one.  

Both may yet get full length magazine tubes, their bores lapped, and the synthetic stock (which I'm not too crazy about) may go in favor of a nicely grained Black Walnut, African Walnut or Curly Maple.  Thanks again.  Mikey.

[coug2wolfs]

The porting DOES help, howsomever, that danged straight stock cancels most of the good the brake does.  As one gent points out, Pachmeyer Dece;erator is the way to fly.

Since I couldn't get the boys at Marlin to "comply", I took the law into my own hands and had one done up on the pistol grip frame.  Whole world of difference.

Make no mistake about it, big bores thump, on BOTH ends!  Enough of the big stuff will make a wodden Indian flinch! And when that happens you better back down on the guns.  All the hosspower in the world ain't worth dog snot if the bullet don't land where it should.

[Cabin4]

Yes the ported BBl will reduced muzzel rise and recoil.

I just returned from the range today took along the 45-70 guide gun, 12 ga rifeld slug gun and the win 30-30.

In my opinion, the recoil pad on the new mariln 45-70 guide gun is just fine. After about 40 rounds with the 45-70 and about 80 altogether, my shoulder is fine. I did however use the wussy pad for the slug gun. with the 3ing slugs, it kicks.

By the way, i am consistantly getting 1.0 to 1.5 ich groups with the guide gun at 100 yards using the Win Supreme 300 grain nosler partitions. The gun is stock, no trigger job and a 1-4x luepold scope. Every thing came together very well. its ready for the bear hunt in Maine.

[v-man]

I find the recoil of the 45-70 Guide Gun with my fairly hot loads to be very tolerable. After shooting a Ruger 77 in .338 WinMag and 3"mag 12ga in a Savage 24F I never noticed the recoil of the Marlin again.
I can tell you from experience as others have also, in the field, shooting at game, you won't feel a thing.

[1GLOCK]

Even the hyped up 45-70s out of my guide gun are not near as punnishing as factor 190gr Rems. out of the 300 win mag ultra-lite mtn rifle i used to have. Used to is the key phrase!!

[Sure-Shot]

I have a 450 Marlin GG and found the pacmeyer decelerator made it much more comfortable to shoot.  However, the porting was so loud I finally had it cut and crowned.  Like it a lot better now.

[Mikey]

Sure-Shot:  How long is that barrel now????  Is it still as easy to shoot, recoil wise that is?  And, does it recoil more or less now that the ports aren't there???  

I'm asking because I was concerned about the noise level, especially with that short barrel.  I had thought that if it was too loud, I might go for another barrel.  Mikey.

[akpls]

I can appreciate the fact that the porting is loud.  But how is this an issue at the range where you should be wearing hearing protection?  I've been wearing Peltor's top of the line muffs and hardly even notice the noise.  Could it be the 6 years I spent in the field artillery has made me insensitive to it since no hearing test I've had has ever indicated any loss or damage to my hearing.

[choppa]

I have owned my 1895m for  the last two years, I have fired over 2000 rds at game, due to it being my culling rifle, the porting is a pain, it just makes the rifle to loud, when following up in the scrub or any hunting for that matter you need your full hearing, you cant justify earplugs, when your arse is on the line! I find there is a huge difference in report when you back off your loads :roll: as for recoil, I dont even notice it in the field, but shooting 405gn Woodleighs at 2000fps off the bench is a different story.

[GTBuzz]

I have one of the newer Guide Guns without the ports.  Man does that sucker kick.   I use the Hodgdon #27 load book and even using 5g UNDER the starting charge for the Marlin data, I still get 2000 fps from a 300g bullet.    Using both the starting Marlin (level II) charge for the 300g and 400g bullets, I get 2240fps and 1800 fps from the unported Guide Gun.  Recoil is severe, much worse than my .444 Marlin or a buddy's .338 Win Mag.   I don't care to go past the starting loads for the Marlin in Hodgdon's book.

I had a 444P though and I sold it because of the ports.