22 lr accurrate out to 100.

[slim rem 7]

i want to add a 22 lr mag fed ,,that will have the best long range scoped ability ..i don t know whats out there but i was thinking tight group at an hundred yds ..
   im limited to around $300. +or-  .. is it remington ,ruger ,savage , one i didnt mention..
   thanks for any advice..

[Brithunter]

Hmmm well the .22 LR is capable of grouping around MOA at 100 yards IF .................................. IF the conditions are right, and the ammunition/rifle is capable of it. Not all factory loads give this capability and yoru ability to read the wind will be tested  . BSA durign production of their Martini target rifles had a mode they called the Centurion and to be accepted as a Centurion modle it had to group inside 1 1/4" at 100 yards on the acceptance range. This was 40 years ago remember.

As to your choices, I will say I do not know the US pricing, I would look at the CZ 452  they have an excellent reputation fro accuracy and come is various configurations one of which should interest you. There is a CZ forums here but for rimfire info your might like to try Rimfire Central forums, a search should find it easily.

[jvs]

i want to add a 22 lr mag fed ,,that will have the best long range scoped ability ..i don t know whats out there but i was thinking tight group at an hundred yds.

I am confused about your question.  Either you are looking for a .22 lr (Long Rifle), or you want a .22 Magnum.  There is no such caliber as a .22 Long Rifle Mag as far as I know.

I use a .22 lr for Squirrel Hunting and I have found that it is dependable out to 65 yds for head shots, which is what I aim for.  A consistently accurate shot at 100 yds with a .22 lr would be a stretch in my opinion.  Even a .22 Mag may have problems at that distance, but it would be likely to be more accurate and with enough power than a .22 lr.


A .22 Long Rifle firearm can usually take Sub-Sonic, .22 Bird Shot, Short, Long and Long Rifle Ammo, all of which are readily available.  Some older ones do not take Short or Long ammo, only Long Rifle ammo. 

A .22 Mag only shoots .22 Mag ammo.

If this is your first venture into the .22 caliber world, I recommend a .22 Long Rifle that is Clip Fed.  What brand is up to you.  I prefer Marlins, which are usually priced lower and are pretty dependable IMO. 

[slim rem 7]

    i said mag fed.. with a clip or mag..[sorry if my wording was confusing] i have the maerlin 18shot semi auto thats good for 1 inch at 50 yds .. nice little home protection ,, squirl and small varment gun ..
 but im looking for the max scoped range in an clip fed 22 lr..
 dont wanta go mag as the idea is to keep my types of ammo dn and stock up..
  right now 22lr ,30 30 winchester 170grn and 30 06 with 165grn fusion is all i need to stock..

[Brithunter]

Well nope I was not confused althoguh I did read it several times to make sure of that and it's why I suggested the CZ452, bolt action with 5 or 10 shot magazine in styles from a light sporter to heavy varmint barrels and stocks from plastic to Beech to Walnut and laminate I believe also in different styles.

[jvs]

    i said mag fed.. with a clip or mag..[sorry if my wording was confusing] i have the maerlin 18shot semi auto thats good for 1 inch at 50 yds .. nice little home protection ,, squirl and small varment gun ..
 but im looking for the max scoped range in an clip fed 22 lr..

THe .22 lr is out classed for accuracy at 100 yds.  .22 Mag, .221 Fireball, .22 Hornet, .222, .223 are much better 22 caliber choices for that distance and more.  There just isn't enough power there to do the job for the .22 lr at 100 yds.  While it can punch holes in paper at that distance, it can do little else when hunting or varminting.  Aim point at 100 yds for a scoped .22 lr wouldn't be practicle.  The .17 Remington, .17 Fireball and .204 Ruger are good choices too.

The .17 rimfire can be a better choice than a .22 lr out to 100 yds, but not much farther than that.

Personally, I wouldn't try an effective shot with a .22 lr at more than about 65 to 70 yds.  Within that distance it is deadly, beyond that it is 'iffy'.

[tn_junk]

I have a Marlin Model 25, clip fed 22 lr bolt action, that I will put up against any other 22 at 100 yards. Have about $250 in the gun plus scope.

alan

[jvs]

The Marlin .22 I referenced to in my earlier post is also a Model 25.  It was the very first rifle I ever bought, and when I wanted to add another .22 to my collection because my original one was showing its age, I bought a used Model 25 in like new condition.   Paid all of $75 for it about 10 yrs ago.

I am familiar with the Model 25 and I doubt any other brand can outdo what I can do with these two.

I also never meant to infer that a Model 25 or any other .22 can not be deadly at 100 yds, but odds are against it being as accurate and with enough knock down power left in it to do the best job at that range. 

The  longest shot I ever took with a Marlin Model 25 was roughly 200 yds at a Groundhog.  I had a 2x7 BDC scope on it, that was sighted in dead on at 50 yds.  I dialed in the scope and I rolled that sucker from behind the ear before he ran back in his hole.  I don't exactly know what happened to him, but he was never seen again.  At the very least it had a Bee Sting and a Migrane.  Obviously I lobbed that shot in like a Rainbow and sort of got lucky on a relatively calm day.  The longest shot I take at a Squirrel is roughly 65 to 70 yds and is about max distance I would go for Squirrels.  ( Head shots get to be too small of a target. )

In any case, don't overlook the used rack when you want a dependable .22 because there are plenty of them out there at very resonable prices.  The big problem now is finding those 2x7 BDC 1/2 inch  scopes.

[Hairtrigger]

A good scope will take your whole budget.

[victorcharlie]

I have a Marlin Model 25, clip fed 22 lr bolt action, that I will put up against any other 22 at 100 yards. Have about $250 in the gun plus scope.

alan

I see a shooting match coming!

[jvs]

What I see coming is a run coming on the older Marlin Model 25's.

Did I mention my original Model 25 is a Glenfield-Marlin?

Or is it a Marlin-Glenfield...    I'd have to look.

A newer Marlin Model 25 isn't built the same as the Glenfield Marlin.

[Coyote Hunter]

...
 A consistently accurate shot at 100 yds with a .22 lr would be a stretch in my opinion. 
...

Not in mine.  We use my Browning .22 semi-auto to shoot clay pigeons at 200 yards.  Last time my daughter tried it she went 11 of 12 and picked up the straggler with the 13th shot.  The scope is a Simmons 22 Mag, nothing fancy, and we use the reticle's thin-to-thick transition below center as the aim point.

[bilmac]

I also site my bull barrel Ruger 10-22 to hit on at 100 yds with the lower post in a multiplex 3 X 9 chiepo scope. The crosshairs are then on in the 30-50 yd range. With the heavy semi auto rifle it is easy to call your own shots and make rapid corrections. We have whitetail prairie dogs here and they build small towns in brushy habitat, so the shots are shorter than in the classic huge cleared blacktail towns farther east. Also since everything is compressed, the noise of my 223 usually has every dog hiding after a few shots, but they will tolerate the noise of a 22 longer.

Accuracy of my 10-22 isn't anything to brag about it shoots about 2 1/2 inches at 100 with most ammo. If I can find some 40 gr. in the old fashoned 50 rd boxes it always shoots better than the chiep bulk boxes. I can't convince myself to shoot high end target stuff at prairie dogs where I might shoot 500 rds a day. It seems like the 550 rd bulk boxed ammo is getting better, I have pretty much settled in on the Federals as they feed in all my rifles and shoot as well as any of the bulk stuff.

[jvs]

I can honestly say that I can remember only one time in my life when I went out and shot a whole brick of .22 ammo in one 'sitting'.  I bought a Marlin Semi Auto (I think it was a Model 60) and I bought a brick of 500 to shoot.  It took me all of about an hour and a half to get that brick down the tube and I figured having a Semi was a waste of ammo, and I sold it within a week.  Now I take 5 clips with me and have to stop to cycle the bolt and eventually load back up.  I sort of like covering 7 shots with a dime at 50 yds.

I also don't doubt that you can hit a Clay Target or a Prarie Dog at 200 yds with just about any .22.  Clay Birds are approximately 4", not a bad shot at 200 yds with a .22, but since it is 4" - not really phenominal either.  I have to admit that your daughter shows signs of a real markswoman there CH.  It does my heart good to hear about kids learning to shoot, and to understand shooting too.  You should be proud.

I think Praire Dogs aren't that much different in size than a Gray Squirrel, maybe smaller, and if I aim for the head I don't want to be hitting the ribs or a shoulder.  Since I believe that any living thing shot at should not be hit anywhere but a fatal area and be taken with the absolute least amout of pain.  A  2 1/2 " group wouldn't work with me for Squirrels.   Which is the exact reason I don't use a .22 farther than 65 to 70 yds.  I open up to 1" and that is my limit with a .22.  I don't fear a miss as much as I do a non-fatal gunshot to an animal.

[slim rem 7]

 i have the model 60 marlin -glenfield.. its a good good group gun at 50 yds..
 if you shot a whole 500 box you really broke it in right..
   i picked up a savage mark11 but all the long range ammo i tried would not shoot uniformly.. the standard long rifle just called for too much hold over.. i intend to master that with what ever i end up with but,id like a 100 zero to start with..
 this little gun can do that if i can find an high velocity rd that fits it just right..
 i picked up stingers and mini mags today..id have to say that even at 50 ,,im not near as impressed with this as i was my savage 110.. but the right ammo can change that in a heartbeat as the fusion did for my 30 06
 

[trotterlg]

Some will probably argue, but a Remington 581 (clip fed) or 582 (magazine fed) is probably one of the finest truely mass produced 22 bolt guns ever made.  If you want real accuracy go with the 540 series, but they will set you back 5-6 hundred while the 580 series are in the $200 to $250 range.  I have two, this one which is in excellent condition and one I am doing a CF conversion on to 22 Hornet. With it's favorite ammo it will do an honest 1 1/2 inch at 100 yards.   Larry

[torpedoman]

Hit the pawn shops and look for old prewar mossbergs bolt actions They are as if not more accurate than modern 22's and a lot cheaper. Wolf mt is a very consistent 22 ammo and all my mossbergs shoot the winchester Xpert bulk good. you can fing mag feed but the tube fed holds more rounds and is hard to lose and allows a smooth stock.

[jvs]

It is my opinion that Marlin makes the worst .22 semi on the market.  I haven't heard or read more complaints about any other brand semi on the market than that Marlin Model 60.  It does not have a very good reputation amongst gun owners.  The 60 doesn't hold up and Marlins customer service concerning the 60 stinks.  Even though I got rid of mine because of other issues, I have since been glad to be rid of it, considering what I read.  Unless things have recently changed concerning materials and workmanship of the Model 60, I would avoid it.  If you got a good one, consider your self lucky.

I don't doubt that Remington makes a good .22 bolt gun.  Looking at the pic of the 581, I can see that Marlin more than likely designed the Model 25 as competiton for the 581.  They almost look like twins.

When I bought my first Model 25 years ago, I bought what I could afford.   I would bet that if I had bought a 581 back then, I would be just as happy with it as I am with the 25 at this point.  If I found a 581 in 'like new condidtion', sitting on the used rack, I wouldn't hesitate taking it home.

[slim rem 7]

  well larry ,its too bad i read your post after i bought the savage..
  thats just what im looking for..whats its favorite ammo.. im gonna stock up on what ever works best for mine.. the marlin semi i have,, actually shoots the cheap rem ammo
better than the the high in stuff. it will stay in  bullseye for all or most all of its 18 shot load at 50..
   as for this savage mark 11 i cant say nothing bad about it..for one thing its not broke in .. it was reaching 100 alright  with velocitors yesterday ,but either it dont like them or that velocitor just dont group .. in any case i was hoping for the distance with standard lr as high velocity stuff seems not to be the most accurrate..
  well i guess if it came easy a fellow wouldn t appreciate it as much..
    that sure is a nice looking rifle larry ,thats what i had in mind..
  if you get dn to it its hard to beat a good  22.. as a kid i could knock a squirl
out the tallest trees with shorts..heck i figured the longs were for big game hunting didn t have any big game here back then tho..depression got it all..

[slim rem 7]

 oh well the manager at gods country is mad .. he had shown me an cz with bushnell scope that would have totaled out to almost 500 bucks.. sure wanted a good 22
but  my green just wasn t in that category and i told him that..
     the mark 11 was a mistake tho as i should have remembered the way that sports barrel starts walkin  when hot..just a mistake..[fine rifle but a 50-60yd group gun ..]
  not the first, an definitly not the last mistake i ll make .but hopfully a lesson learned..
      i did get the scope, the gods country manager was selling me ..its a fine one for an 22 .. he oughta be happy i bought that from him..
  i thought he was a smarter man than that..oh well he ll get over it,, i hope.
grudges just get heavier with time ,cause a man to age fast..
  now to continue the search :)hope yall hit what you aim at an have a good day..

[Mike Britton]

Go looking for a Norinco JR15. It will be hard to find, as imports were stopped almost as soon as they got here. Mine is deadly accurate. It's based on the CZ, and if you can find one, it won't cost you too much as nobody cares about the rifle, having come from China.
I don't think you would be disappointed. Mike

[Guy Pike]

Although not a three hundred dollar rifle, my Anschutz 1422 will out shoot almost any rifle in my thirty five gun stable if the wind is right. 100 yds is a good maximum range for it. Tree squirrels die and woodchucks will if head shot. The accuracy is not the issue with the bigger varmints as much as the power.

[slim rem 7]

  i decided to put the scope on my 30 30 and the iron sights back on the mark 11..
  i may have some fun with this little gun yet.. never really worked on holdover ,so this will give me a chance to get some skill at that hopefully.

[Mike Britton]

On this subject, I'd like to say that when I was shooting NRA hi-power, the masters and high masters all practiced with .22 rimfires.
They all claimed that shooting the .22 in practice taught them fundimentals that they needed to maintain the best scores.
One friend, a Distinguished High Master, said, "If you learn to shoot the .22 well centerfire shooting comes much easier".

[slim rem 7]

  well i got the cz 452 lxm..certainly seems to be an well made gun..
 now for those that have them.. what kinda breakin time am i looking at.. also
 whats best 100 yd ammo.you have found, your gun likes..
  had to give up my 9 mil sig and a cheap savage 22 .. but the sig was just setting in my drawer as it was too lrg for me to conceal..i appreciate all advice..thats already given and anything anyone can tell me as to getting the best performance from my gun..
 its scoped with a bushnell 4-12- 40 .. dusk to dawn ..plenty bright view

[Brithunter]

May I suggest CCI Blazer, Federal American Eagle #AE5022 or Federal Champion #510 none of which is expesive "Target" ammunition but has proven to shoot well at 25 and 50 yards. What it does at 100 cannot say as have not tried it at that distance.

On congratulations on the CZ  they are fine rifles.

[Mike Britton]

I can vouch for the Federal. It will group 1 1/2-1 3/4 in my Wichester 75, on a real calm day. Lots of elevation in the old Litchert Spot Shot scope. Haven't tried the Norinco at 100 yet, but considering how well it shoots at 50 it might be a good one.
Shooting .22's at 100 is like shooting .45/70 at 500. You hope you don't have any wind, and you kind of "punt" them out there. Don't get many real calm days in North Texas.

[bilmac]

I don't know if slim is looking to use his 100 yd gun in the field or just punch paper at known distances, but for field use I say again site the lower post of a multiplex retical scope so it is on at 100. Then with most scopes the crosshairs will be on somewhere between 30 and 50. Most of us are fair estimators out to 100, so out to 100, you hold somewhere between the post and the crosshairs.

We also used to sit on hillsides and shoot at rocks in wheat summer fallow and mark our shots with puffs of dust. Shot rediculous distances. The experience paid off when I was in Alaska however. Our gun club was doing a fundraiser. We hung about a 20" saw blade and stepped back about 50 yards and everybody paid a buck to shoot. Everybody that hit it then moved back to 75, paid another buck and shot again. Kept shooting and moving back (and paying) until I won the match at 250 yards. Them Alaska boys probably never shot their 22s that far, most places you can't see that far up there.

[slim rem 7]

  dang i thought i did well today..i decided to zero at 75 and that means about
   2-3 inch holdover at hundred .she .put them all in the mark as if the gun was zeroed there..
   my only problem is for my best shooting,, im using an 22 rd that was made for the military..only got one brick of it..what do you fellows shoot for distance with in 22 rimfire..
  ps im a far piece from hittin at 250.
   just wanted to thank everyone for helping me out..finally got just what i was looking for..shes sighted in at a hundred right where the lower reticle gets thick and shes[bushnell banner] dead on a hundred like that. zero at 75. thanks again..slim..