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Offline Stoots

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« on: July 20, 2003, 05:59:40 AM »
FELLAS!!  Thanks to all who advised me in the ways of handgun hunting for my recent purchase.  I bought a 7.5 Super Redhawk, with a Leupold 2X.  I was wondering about the quality of Ruger's rings,(as opposed to other brands) particularly on this set-up.  After much adjusting per manual instructions, my rings don't "flush" together (although pretty close) between the top ring and bottom ring. (They are not mixed up either, I took precautions against that!) I would assume it's because the outside diameter of the scope is a small bit over 1 inch. Do your rings fit perfectly around your scopes? Opinions and advice please!  I am very please with the strength of the gun and the quality of the optics, but the perfectionist in me is just curious.   Looking forward to the range trip next Sunday!
THANKS!!
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2003, 11:28:18 AM »
Hello Stoots,

Congrats on your new gun!

You want a little gap between those surfaces of your rings. This way you know you have a snug fit. I don't think you will have any trouble with the stock Ruger rings. In my opinion Burris makes the best Ruger style rings.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/rings.html

With all of my scoped guns I prefer to have the lowest mounts my scope will allow. (This makes a big difference for me on a 22 rifle for squirrel hunting.) It's a good idea to keep the center of your scopes cross hairs as close to the center of your bore as possible though it probably won’t make a big difference on a handgun mount. When I was 13 years old I lost a deer due to see through mounts. These were mounted on one of my rifles. The deer was about 20 yards so. I had always thought a bullet had a rise to it when it exits the barrel so I aimed at his chest line just below his shoulder. From ignorance, I expected the bullet to rise.

After shooting my gun at close ranges I found my gun shot about 3.5 inches low at 20 yards due to the large distance from the center line of my scope when compared to the center line of my rifles bore. Every since then I have always bought the lowest mounts possible. I'll even sacrifice large diameter scope bells because of this. It's a hard lesson learned but I'll never forget losing this deer.

Scott
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2003, 01:52:12 PM »
The Ruger mounts should work fine.  You might want to lap them before installing the scope.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2003, 02:31:27 PM »
install friction pads in those rings before mounting the scope permanent. this will help to keep the scope from slipping in recoil. some scope rings come with friction pads, some don't. my redhawk didn't come with pads, and my 2x burris slipped. what i'm calling friction pads, is the small sticky back paper that goes on the inside of the, top and bottom, rings. :D
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2003, 03:43:38 PM »
Never had a problem on the stock Ruger rings, and yes you should have a slight gap between them and it should be even side to side. I always lap them and carefully tighten all the screws in order evenly in a criss-cross pattern and NEVER have had a scope slip. Have even taken the rings and scope off the gun, replaced it and it was still on zero. It takes a little more time but worth it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2003, 05:24:49 PM »
Kyode

Not trying to argue with ya, just giving my experience.  I have used the friction tape that comes with the Burris rings on handguns and slug guns.  Everytime is use them the scope moves and spits the friction tape out of the ring.  Use them without the tape and have never had one move.  It is interesting to hear from someone that has good luck with the tape.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2003, 05:38:03 PM »
well ! :eek: ain't that something? my 2x burris slipped in the ruger redhawk rings until i put in the tape(pads). i shoot mostly full throttle 240gr loads and it hasn't slipped a fraction since. just goes to show you, everything doesn't work for everybody. interesting to hear your experience also. i sure don't intend to give bad advice. i just had good luck with it. :?
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2003, 02:47:48 PM »
I've never lapped any rings, including the Ruger rings that came with my SRH, and nothing's ever moved.  I do tighten screws evenly, though.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2003, 03:47:25 AM »
About a year and a half ago, I bought a Ruger SRH .480 and a Leupold 2x. Not wanting to ruin a scope, I inquired here. GB himself highly recomended lapping the Ruger factory rings or I'd chance ruining my new scope. He said it would be an eye opener and was he ever right. As good a product as they make, I had to remove consider material (lapping) the rings before I was content. Mounted the scope and have never had a problem, and no ring marks. Everyone here has great ideas, none are wrong. Personally, I will never again mount a scope without lapping, unless of course I were to go to the Burris rings with the inserts.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2003, 10:40:31 AM »
8) For some years, I have used dymo label tape as an anti friction material.  It is sticky on one side, and you can stack 2 or 3 layers, if you need some elevation help.  Cheap, and readily available in your choice of colors !
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2003, 03:39:53 AM »
with the scope rings on my SRH 480.  When mounting my Leupold 2X, I noticed that the front ring base had a large burr on it.  (this left a nice scratch down the bottom of the scope after a few shots as it slipped)  While removing the burr, I noticed the following:  if I placed the scope in the bases without the top of the rings on, when I applied pressure on the scope directly above the front base, the rear of the scope would lift ~2mm off the rear base.  Obviously, the rings were not lining up.  I contacted Ruger, and they replaced the rings.  With the new set, I had the same problem.  If I tighten the screws, I risk ruining a $200 scope.  After speaking with Ruger again, they want me to return the entire gun.  Needless to say, I'm beginning to get a little upset over the situation.  I prepared to lap the scopes, making a tool from a piece of 1" stainless ground barstock, and some valve lapping compound.  But there is alot of meat that must be removed to make these rings line up.  Do I risk removing too much, where the rings won't be able to hold the scope tightly?

Also, Ruger sent me a bag of powdered rosin to put between the scope and rings.  Perhaps this will aid in keeping the scope from slipping.  

Does anyone have any good suggestions on the proper way to lap rings?

I'm anxious to shoot this gun again!
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2003, 08:10:55 AM »
All I can say about the SRH and it's scope mounts are they are as tough as a hookers heart and bullet proof. Never had any problems with either even when I have shot Hot loads in my 44mag. :D
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2003, 08:51:10 AM »
8) Ed,  the best way I have found to remove excessive material from poorly aligned rings is with a Clymer reamer made for this purpose.  Lightly clamp the reamer between the rings and turn the reamer with the correct size open end (or crescent) wrenck.  These are available from Brownells Gunsmithing Supply, or direct from Clymer.  

I "rescued" a .44 Mag. SRH that I picked up for cheap with this reamer.  The owner was getting rid of the gun because he could not keep the scope from slipping.  This gun also has the metal "pimple" on the underside of one of the rings, which apparently has something to do with Ruger's investment casting process.  Good luck.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2003, 12:25:09 PM »
Well, my gun is off to NH to visit Ruger's service center.  It's been there 10 days now... I'll let you know how things go when i get her back...
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2003, 03:34:22 PM »
The scope on my 454 slipped.  Using the stock rings, I had tightened them as tight as I dared.  Since it slipped I torqued down on them so much that they top and bottom halves are touching at the edges, but not against the scope.  If that doesn't hold I'll have to come up with a plan "B".
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finally got the gun back...
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2003, 04:50:50 PM »
after a grand total of $45 for shipping rings, then the gun back to ruger, the rings are actually in worse shape then before.  they were "lapped" by someone, but now they don't line up side to side.  with the scope placed in the rings, light is visible through the bottom of the rings.  tightening it will rack the scope both sideways and up/down.  i don't know if the rings can be salvaged; obviously they weren't really on the gun when they were lapped.  i may give it a shot, but in the meantime i'm checking out mounts from leupold.  any suggestions?  i love ruger firearms (you'd have to fight me over my new SBH hunter, and my tried and true GP100), but this ordeal has really made me think twice.  (i could have almost bought a new set of rings after all the shipping charges)

i need some encouraging words.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2003, 03:30:09 PM »
update:  (this is the only place i can talk to anyone who might care...)  I spoke with a customer service superviser from ruger today.  after a half hour of discussion, she is sending me a new set of rings so i can lap them myself.  if that is no good, she said she would need the gun back again.  i was quite pleased after our conversation; she made me feel much better about my situation.  (she is also sending me a set of v-notch rear/bead front sights for my SBH hunter--free of charge).  i plan to lap the new rings with a ground piece of 1" stainless stock and some lapping compound.  maybe i'll try to get my hands on a 1" reamer in the meantime as well.
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