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Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« on: April 09, 2008, 04:41:12 AM »
Seems the little sportster is plenty accurate for knocking blackbirds out of trees.  Nailed four out five and took feathers off the fifth.  A day at a real shooting bench to finish sighting it instead of the door frame I used would doubtless help as well.
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 06:59:56 AM »
Black birds are protected under the U.S. Migratory Bird Act.  Be careful where you brag about poaching a federally protected non-game animal.

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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 11:08:50 AM »
Where in the world did you come up with that bit of misinformation?

Here in Bama all species of blackbirds even crows are legal every day of the year with no bag limits. Now it is true that crows are mentioned in said treaty with mexico but that does not make them illegal at all. Some states do have seasons but any state can get around that if they want to just as Bama has done.


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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 12:01:47 PM »
It's not misinfo, the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 has over 800 species of birds listed, but there are many state exceptions to the law, and many state laws that are more strict, for instance, here in Washington state, all birds not classified as game birds are protected, except, starlings, house sparrows, rock doves (pigeons) and magpies.

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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 06:09:49 PM »
I'd not pay too much attention to Wiki in this case. The original treaty with Mexico unless it has been altered since did not include blackbirds but rather crows. It was to protect a somewhat rare Magpie living in Mexico but that some times crosses the border into the US. It was poorly worded and didn't just protect the Magpie but included the entire family which includes crows, rooks and ravens.

Black birds, starlings, cowbirds, redwing blackbirds and grackles was not and so far as I know still are not covered under that treaty. I realize some states protect them but those of us living in the south are not among those.

Anyone who wants to can put bad info on wiki as it's all user supplied info and not all of it is even remotely correct. The treaty you linked to is not even the one that restricts hunting of crows that is between the US and Mexico. The one you list Tim is the international one that is the reason we have the restrictions we do on birds like Doves and waterfowl. The one on crows is completely different. Black birds other than crows which happen to be black are not covered.

Most states across the souther tier of the US all the way from east to west coast have no seasons and no bag limits on "blackbirds" further defined at times as starlngs, cowbirds, grackles and rarely redwinged blackbirds altho most times the latter is not specifically mentioned but just assumed covered under the generic blackbird name.


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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 02:55:39 AM »
Washington State does have a Crow season, but does allow year round hunting if in the act of depredation.  All Dept of Wildlife agents I have met are of the opinion that they just were or are about to be in the "act of depredation"

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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 05:05:14 AM »
The Washington crow season is one of those exceptions I mentioned, most states have one even tho they're protected.

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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 05:54:19 AM »
Thanks Quick, yes most states have an open season for Crows and Starlings, both of which are black in color, but Black Birds by name as in Red Winged black bird are questionable if not specifically mentioned in state hunting regulations.  I will join Graybeard in not giving legal advice, but I just thought that posting what is potentially a federal law violation on a message board for everyone to see might not be the best way to say that your Handi rifle is accurate.


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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 08:00:47 AM »
In Illinois the crow season is from the end of Oct to the end of Feb.  They are listed as a Migratory Game Bird, song birds are protected.
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2008, 04:01:24 AM »
We have two seasons for crows, Red Wings are protected, but generic blackbirds, I don't think so, even tho I only shoot Starlings and Grackels.  I hate those nasty, mean buggers.  They raid song bird nests.  I can add two ground hogs to the Mach2 list, was down at the parents place and picked them out of the back field.
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2008, 03:40:11 PM »
Ground Hog or Woodchuck as the Wis DNR calls them are protected specie here.
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2008, 04:12:24 PM »
Ground Hog or Woodchuck as the Wis DNR calls them are protected specie here.

I thought this sounded absurd, but he's right. According to the 2007 Small Game Hunting pamphlet from Wisconsin DNR, woodchucks are a protected species (meaning can't be taken without authorization), although there is a landowner exemption, which appears to be complete.

Weird, most everywhere else they are small (fair) game, and in Michigan, there is no closed season.

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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2008, 02:53:50 AM »
What's next?  Mosquito's only with a prior approval single exception on a "must prove immediate need" basis?
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2008, 03:37:48 AM »
Strangely enough there is a significant push under way at this time to give rights to insects just as they've been pushing for rights for animals for years. Yeah if they get their way it would be illegal to kill those biting mosquitos and pesky flies or to slap an ant that is stinging you.


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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2008, 05:26:16 PM »
Graybeard if I got one bittin me I'm gonna slap him... and if he dies it was self defense your honor and if he lives I will bring charges to the full extent of the law for the attack .  ;D Kurt
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2008, 02:01:57 AM »
My sportster Mach2 is accurate, but shooting sqeeters off my arm accurate, naw, I'll keep the defense hands on.
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2008, 04:41:47 AM »
They just keep falling.  Bang-Thump.
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2008, 07:25:46 PM »
Just finished a party out on the deck.  Skeeters got so bad we had to move inside when we ran out of .410 shells.  Having to empty the Mosquito Magnet twice a day now.

I remember back in the 60s, when I was 13 and 14, I got paid .25 cents a bird for Starlings that we shot off the end of the runway at the Nashville airport.  This was after several Airliner crashes involving Starlings.  I took a Browning Sweet 16 and filed the sear down to make it fully auto, as recommended by Deputies in the Sheriff's dept.  I would then jump a flock of Starlings and starting at the bottom of the flock fire the first shot.  Gun would keep firing till it ran out of shells, working it's way up through the flock.  Flocks of Starlings were so thick then that I could kill several hundred, out of each flock.  When they quite paying bounty on Starlings I replaced the sear and gave the shotgun back to Dad.  He never knew what I had done to his shotgun. 
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Re: Little Mach2, flat-o Black-Birdo
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2008, 03:56:55 PM »
Strangely enough there is a significant push under way at this time to give rights to insects just as they've been pushing for rights for animals for years. Yeah if they get their way it would be illegal to kill those biting mosquitos and pesky flies or to slap an ant that is stinging you.

Gotta love the treetards.  I think it would be difficult to prosecute somebody for killing a skeeter suckin' on their arm.  Imagine prosecuting president Bush because he swatted a biting fly someplace he was visiting.  How about a season on treetards?

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