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Offline cheezehead

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sporterized a303- should i buy?
« on: March 23, 2008, 05:46:21 PM »
the local pawn shop just got one in. the barrel has been shortened, and it has a manlicher stock, nice wood, with scope mounts. the bolt felt smooth as butter. no signs of abuse. i need to bring my bore light so i can see the rifling better. they're asking around $350. is this a fair price? what should i look out for? i'm not buying it for collecting, but something about it grabbed my attention. i've never owned one before. i've owned a lot of rifles, and a couple of military mausers, and a swedish mauser, so i'm not totally ignorant. what is the lever on the left side of the receiver for? i believe it said off/on. i didn't have a whole lot of time to check it out, i'm planning on going back tomorrow. thanks!

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 06:51:00 PM »
I just got one it is original and shoots great.  The switch is a magazine cut off that allows you to shoot it as a single shot which is how I shoot mine most often.  It also is what allows you to take out the bolt out, just flip to half way and pull the bolt out, cannot remember if you have to pull the trigger on this one or not but you get the idea.  I gave 700 or a little better for it but it is like new never issued and everything is spotless.  I was not in the market for something that pricey at the time but have always wanted one and had not ever seen one that was this new looking.  When you look in the bore it looks a little different cause it is a 2 groove rifling.  Personally, If I had found what you are looking at for about that price I would go for it pending inspection of all the upgrades.  I would check those mounts out for sure cause the original did not have them unless it is an A4.  It sounds like maybe they cut the barrel to the length of the stock and the stock is original.  I am no expert on military surplus or gunsmithing but am like you and would just watch out for anything that was not quiet right.  Just for reference the bore on mine looks like a new bore should crisp rifling and shines like it was just polished and buffed.  Mine was made in 7-44 and this is indicated on the barrel--sounds like the part cut off on yours.  I would say that if the bore is good and the cut and crown are done right a new rifle of this quality ( assuming it is like new) would go for well over a thousand at least that is what you tell your wife when she gives you slack.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2008, 06:43:50 AM »
Is it a sporterized British Enfield? If so what model? The price sounds kind of high for a sporterized military rifle.
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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 10:23:22 AM »
I think he has a 03A3 30 06 Springfield not a, a 303!     Buy It!!!!!

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2008, 10:18:53 PM »
Depends on what the serial number is and which arsenal it made it.

Some early A3-03 receivers weren't heat treated properly and some of the early receivers were know to explode on firing, sending shrapnel and the bolt flying, causing some serious injuries and one fatality.   After the problem was rectified, no known problems existed.

I own a sporterized A3-03 that sports a serial number well above the problem units.

You can look up the serial numbers and arsenals of the problem receivers on the internet.
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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 01:27:41 AM »
It sounds like a British Enfield due to the .303 caliber and the lever (safety) on the left side of the receiver.  If so, the price is too high.  There was just a nice one listed in the General Classifieds section of GBO for $150.  I would have bought it if I didn't already have one.  Mine is a Mk. 4 No.1 with a Ram-line stock, shortened barrel and Weaver mount.  I lucked into it for $79.95 at the local gun shop.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 01:38:05 PM »
[Some early A3-03 receivers weren't heat treated properly and some of the early receivers were know to explode on firing, sending shrapnel and the bolt flying, causing some serious injuries and one fatality. ]

That's the first time I've heard of that, in over 45 years of hunting, shooting, and working on guns - including over a dozen Springfields.

Now, if you actually meant early, pre-WW I  1903 receivers, and not WW II 1903-A3's - then that's true,and is determined by the 1903 model's serial number. They were referred to as "low-numbered Springfields", and in no way pertain to the 03-A3.

Low numbered 1903 Springfields were those manufactured by the US Arsenal at Springfield, Mass (the original Springfield Armory) and the US Arsenal at Rock Island, IL(Rock Island Arsenal)  carrying serial numbers below 800,000 only.

Those were the only two sources of production for original Model 1903 Springfield rifles.

Production was changed there at serial 800,000 from the troublesome single heat-treated receiver to a double heat-treat process, until serial 1,275,768.  These make excellent sporters.

Remington made the Model 1903-A1 from 1930-39, then switched to Model 1903-A3 production, along with the Smith-CoronaTypewriter Co.

The 03-A3 design was adopted as a production cost saving device, since it used stamped non-essential parts ( trigger guard assy, mag follower) ILO milled parts, a less expensive peep ILO the barrel tangent sight, and two-groove barrels ILO the normal barrels used prior.  Additional production savings were made by not finely finishing the exterior of the action & bolt/parts.

Most sporterized 03-A3's were rebarreled, if not recalibered too - but even the two groove barrels give decent hunting accuracy.
Most restocking jobs provide for only a half swing of the bolt stop/disconnect - enough to remove the bolt, but not enough to stop magazine feed, since that WW I  wartime feature is no longer desired.

It's a plus, if your sporter has an aftermarket adjustable trigger installed, too - like a Timney.  It was one of the best available, at that time.

$350 is a more than fair price  - I've sold 03-A3 Springfields that were "sporterzed" only with the simple addition of a Bishop or Fajen monte carlo stock & a cheap scope for over $400.

Of course, if the stock's a two-piece affair, then the rifle's a British .303 Enfield - an effective hunting cartridge still popular in Canada - and only worth the money if it's been rebarreled (no military barrel markings) and has a high quality finish on both wood and metal, and quality sights. Otherwise, not worth it.
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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 03:05:04 PM »
Thanks for the mention of the 2-piece stock, Rangr44.  I must have had a senior moment. it's kind of hard to not notice something that obvious.

I disagree, however about the need to rebarrel.  My #4 (I screwed that up too) is as accurate with it's issue barrel as some American made sporters that I have had, and as accurate as I need.

I had a low-number Springfield "03 with a nice hand-made stock.  I used it for a number of years with cast bullets, but never with full-power jacketed bullet loads.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2008, 01:01:43 AM »
i went back today, and he raised the price to $400. there is a spot of rust on top of the barrel, and it has weaver scope mounts, but there is an extra hole for a different scope base that is plugged. it has a monte carlo stock that has very nice wood grain. i think i'm going to let him sit on it for awhile, then see if he'll come down. the trigger must be after market, because it is a single stage, and very smooth.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2008, 01:38:40 AM »
Cheese:  if this is a sporterized Springfield A3-03 even $350 is high.  The last time I was in Montana I saw 3 sporterized Springfield A3-03s and they were gpoing for around $250, which I though was fair.  If he jacks up the price to $400,let him sit on it for quite a while.

Now, if this is not a US Model A3-03, but rather a British SMLE 303 (two piece stock), the guy is way over crazy to price it that high.  Even Parker-Hale sporterizations of the No4 Mk1 only go for about $150 in this neck of the woods. 

I'd keep lookin'.  Mikey.


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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2008, 04:50:58 AM »
Mikey,

If you know of any nice Parker-Hale sporters for $150, please PM me asap!  Either peep sights or scope mounts are OK.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2008, 02:11:39 PM »
woodchukhntr:  I saw one of those go locally for $149.  I always keep my eyes open for gems like that and I'll let ya know if I see another.  Mikey.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2008, 02:45:47 AM »
Thanks Mikey, I'll be looking forward to it.  The same for anybody else, let me know if you see one of the Parker-Hale #4's.

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Re: sporterized a303- should i buy?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2008, 11:49:04 PM »
I look at it like this : If you want it buy it If you don't want it don't buy it.