Author Topic: Son's new purchase? (Read 2862 times)

S.B. · « **on:** March 23, 2008, 02:51:33 AM »

Son and I went up to Mega Sports yesterday to buy him a new gun (doesn't matter what kind). While he was filling out the paper work saw one of the questions , besides the have you payed your child support of beaten your wife up lately, was "Your occupation" amazed him, to say the least? Salesman explained mayor Daley (Chicago) wants to know if you could be a Republican Precinct Committeeman? This was in Joliiet IL. Another Chicago political football? Maybe they think we're invading the city to take over? One could only hope!

Mohawk · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2008, 11:22:16 AM »

I can understand that if you have beaten your wife, you should REALLY be in jail as an abuser, and if you have not paid child support, you REALLY should be in jail as a deadbeat, but your occupation? That is weird..........

Mikey · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2008, 12:26:00 AM »

Steve: Hmmmm, I don't remember any of the Federal forms having any questions concerning the type of work you do but I'm sure the chi-town commies have their paranoid reasons for the questions, whther there is a rational basis for them or (most likely) not.

I'm just waiting for them to start squirmin' when the dc lawsuit is finally voer and they start facing one lawsuit or class action suit after another - now then you're gonna see some foot draggin' but, can you imagine what it will be like when they have to open up gun ownership.

Oh Lawd (spoken in obamanese, jackson-esq or sharptonite) - is there a day in my future when the sun shall shine and the demi-god politicians of chi-town and neu yawk and san fwancrisco onna bay, those satans of disarmament, are finally laid down and the people shall be free to go about as armed as they wish? Maybe.................. It would be good. But, this is JMTCW. Mikey.

S.B. · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2008, 02:12:25 AM »

Mikey, it's not a federal law but, Chicago's mayor Daley's? Joliet is right out side of Chicago.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2008, 02:27:11 AM »

Quote from: Mikey on March 24, 2008, 12:26:00 AM

I'm sure the chi-town commies have their paranoid reasons for the questions, whther there is a rational basis for them or (most likely) not.

They have also worked this questioning into getting the common hunting license & habitat stamps over the last few years. It is geared towards catching the delinquent on child support payments along with outstanding warrants. A SS number is also required for this. It is almost like the hunter is being sterotyped as being a villan or a bad guy in general.
The only real defense that we have IMO, is that this is a multi-millon dollar operation for the state and when it comes to money, perhaps even the liberals can be held in check?

Mean while, within the last week or so, I have seen groups mainly made up of Women who are pushing for legislation to run the CCW possibility through again. My own Sister as well as my Sister-in-law happen to be RN's. They have to wait sometimes up to 40min for a security escort to get them into the building on 3rd shift, or out of the building on 2nd shift. It is a no brainer for the predators running the streets to know that these are easy targets to get a little cash or a lot more than this.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2008, 01:32:56 PM »

mega sports is a good store as long as everything goes smoothly, but if you have a problem you can forget about them taking care of you even if you're a regular customer.

I always wondered about that also, if it was only in cook county I could understand the relationship to Herr Daley, but mega sports isn't in cook.

As long as he's enthroned you will probably never see a ccw in Illinois, hopefully I'm wrong, but he is a STRONG opponent of any gun friendly laws and unfortunately Chicago pretty much runs the rest of the state.

Mohawk · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2008, 04:02:40 PM »

The SS# for hunting/fishing license is Federal Law to track Child Support Evaders. Every issuing entity must comply. It is not geared to make everyone out to be a bad guy, it is geared to make sure parents uphold financial resposibility for their kids. A person not seeing their own children in 10 years and owing $80,000 to his child is not only irresponsible but also a Felony.

And sportsmen are not singled out. Any profession holding a license i.e.-police officer, lawyer, doctor, etc. can have their occupational license suspended if they do not pay child support. That included driver's licenses. And that again is Federal Law. And personally, I agree with these laws. If you can't support a child then how can you reasonably be expected to be responsible with anything else.

S.B. · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2008, 04:25:53 PM »

Mohawk, you've taken this completely out of context? Nobody said it's about child supprt? Gees sidewalk lawyers.

Mohawk · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2008, 04:46:06 PM »

Glancbamm mentioned it and I answered why. That's all.

Mikey · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2008, 12:40:00 AM »

S.B. I have been to Joliet, but not in about 40 years or so. I went to school in Peoria and worked there as well. Spent a couple of good years in Ill, before the GCA of '68. Had a great time there. Spent a lot of time huntin', and huntin' around old guns shops. It was a good time. Mikey.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2008, 01:53:21 AM »

Quote from: Mohawk on March 24, 2008, 04:02:40 PM

The SS# for hunting/fishing license is Federal Law to track Child Support Evaders. Every issuing entity must comply. It is not geared to make everyone out to be a bad guy, it is geared to make sure parents uphold financial resposibility for their kids. A person not seeing their own children in 10 years and owing $80,000 to his child is not only irresponsible but also a Felony.

And sportsmen are not singled out. Any profession holding a license i.e.-police officer, lawyer, doctor, etc. can have their occupational license suspended if they do not pay child support. That included driver's licenses. And that again is Federal Law. And personally, I agree with these laws. If you can't support a child then how can you reasonably be expected to be responsible with anything else.

Mohawk
I agree with your ideals 100%...What I was saying is that I am Not Ask for this information Anywhere Other than the annual renewal of my sportsmans license. They did not ask for this information on my Drivers license which was renewed in Jan, 07...
They also did not ask for this info when I renewed my CPR card along with confined space entry & rescue certificate. I also have a certificate in Industrial Maint from a local College and nothing was said about this.
I know that no one is exempt from the child support but the common hunting license is the only source that I know of right now that ask for this information.

S.B.
Sorry for blowing the post. I felt that the Mega Sports asking your Son for his occupation followed this same line of questioning that does appear to single sportsmen out...Maybe your son should have written down that he was a bank president or a Lawyer?

Mohawk · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2008, 05:00:24 AM »

No, it's cool. I was just trying to help explain why. Sportsmen are leary here too about the SS# number. As far as issuing authorities for driver's licenses, CHL's and other kinds of license they already have that info and retain it from your first application forever and never ask for it again. Why hunting and fishing licenses have to ask every year is beyond me since name and birthdate are the normal methods of catching bad guys. My only guess is that it is a check to see if a person had recently relocated since the renewel is usually year to year unlike most licenses since child support warrants have federal jurisdiction. I apologize if I took the post out of context, that was not my intent.

David Carey · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2008, 06:25:31 PM »

One of the last guns I purchased I did not put my SS# on the form, I just missed the line, and when the sales man called in the paperwork when he got to that line he just said none given. It was for a pistol and the transaction was still approved I asked him about it and he said that it was not required. I live in Washington state.

Dave

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2008, 12:46:50 AM »

what do you mean it doesnt matter what kind of gun it was!!!!!!!

S.B. · « **Reply #14 on:** March 26, 2008, 02:33:29 AM »

I meant it wouldn't make any difference which gun ie rifle, handgun or shotgun, he was getting. It's on all firearm purchase forms.

Psurf911 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 27, 2008, 08:12:11 PM »

Same here in Hawaii, they ask your occupation amongst the amazing pile of paperwork. Go back and forth four times from Gun shop to the main police station. Then you have to wait fourteen days. Its insane!!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2008, 12:56:23 AM »

but it matters to me. You cant tell us you bought a gun without saying telling what it was!!

Quote from: S.B. on March 26, 2008, 02:33:29 AM

I meant it wouldn't make any difference which gun ie rifle, handgun or shotgun, he was getting. It's on all firearm purchase forms.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2008, 02:10:21 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on March 28, 2008, 12:56:23 AM

but it matters to me. You cant tell us you bought a gun without saying telling what it was!!

Good point Lloyd and I figured that was what you were getting at.
I would be quite happy for S.B.'s son even if he just purchased a single shot .410

S.B. · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2008, 02:47:28 AM »

He purchased a Remington 870, he and his older brother are going to turkey hunting in Ma.?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:50:45 PM »

every gun person in the world should have at least one 870!!!

Paladin · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:34:52 PM »

unless they have changed the form, in Illinois the SS# is an option, I haven't filled one out for a while and am getting the itch,

S.B. · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:57:09 PM »

As a side note: J. my son went up, with his cousin, Thursday after work, to pick this gun up. J. shows them his receipt and other ids and the kid that sold it to him asks if he had a martini for lunch? Now J., like his father, has a temper that's quick to ignite but, keeps his cool and says no, hasn't had any thing to drink since Sunday before. Kid says he must go get the gun out of the store room, comes back and asks J. again about drinking, more adamant this time J. tells him he's going to get a cop to do a breathalyzer test and will be right back and is angry because he worked all day and then drove 70 miles to pick up his purchase. Kid leaves to go get the gun but, when he comes back it's with the manager and he walks around the counter to talk to J. but, really want to smell his breath. Does his deed and tells the kid "Give him his gun, I don't smell anything"
J. came over tonight still grumbling about this deal but, got his shotgun to go turkey hunting out in Ma. with his older brother(six_gunz from the Marlin forum). I doubt J. will ever go back to Mega Sports for anything.

Paladin, I see by your profile your from Southern Illinois? This is what's happening up near Chicago.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #22 on:** March 29, 2008, 12:24:38 AM »

your kid handled that much more adult then i would have!! I wouldnt step foot back in there either!

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2008, 03:18:21 AM »

I have had bad experiences there also and know of at least two people that have walked out on deals because the manager is....um....difficult.

WNY_Whitetailer · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2008, 07:41:45 PM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on March 28, 2008, 01:50:45 PM

every gun person in the world should have at least one 870!!!

I thought they all did...

LarryL · « **Reply #25 on:** April 01, 2008, 06:38:27 AM »

I just bought a Kimber Tactical Pro from Riley's up here in NH over the weekend. They only have the standard federal forms. It did not ask for occupation. It did ask for SS#, but indicated the information was not required, only that it might speed up approval. While I was there, another purchaser elected to not put his SS# down. As mentioned above, the sales guy calling it in merely said None Given when he got to the SS# question. The sale went through just fine.

Glad I live in NH where things are still reasonably simple, and carry permits are shall issue. Do your background check, fingerprints, and photo, the first time around, and pay $10 for 4 years. After that, as long as you don't change town of residence, it is just the $10 renewal fee every 4 years. If you do change town of residence, you have to do the full procedure again. I've had a permit almost 20 years now, and have yet to have the slightest question when I renew or when I moved and had to redo.

S.B. · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2008, 07:07:00 AM »

LarryL, this discussion of occupation was for the state of Illinois.

LarryL · « **Reply #27 on:** April 01, 2008, 07:22:01 AM »

Yep, I was clear on that.

I was just drawing the parallel to NH where we do not have any additional state or local forms for purchases. I saw earlier posters from other states as well such as David Carey from WA and PSMURF911 from HA, doing the same.

S.B. · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2008, 10:29:36 AM »

Actually, it's not law in Illinois either. Just what's done near Chicago?

Pinkerton · « **Reply #29 on:** April 03, 2008, 01:21:27 PM »

In South Dakota, if purchasing a handgun without having a concealed carry permit, you must fill out a form that is sent to the sheriff's department of your county for clearance (makes a waiting period I guess, so long a period that the last time I did this I went down applied for a permit 4 days after purchase waited the 5 days for the permit and was able to pick it up before clearance came back.) this form asks for occupation as well.