remington vs savage

[jro45]

I'm a Remington all the way. I have one Savage that I had to rebarrel after 400 shots after that I didn't care for Savage.

[myronman3]

 i dont like remingtons or savages. 

remingtons because they screwed my old man when i was a kid.  sold him a gun (semi 3006) and in less than ten years the gun was jamming and remington admitted it was a bad design, said they could not do anything about it, except they did offer him $50 bucks off his next remington purchase.  needless to say there was no such purchase from him or us.   now i love bolts, and i know there are lots of remington fans out there,  and part of me thinks he almost deserved it for geting an auto.   but htey treated him like crap and i have a hard time with that. 

  savages....let me say that i had a 300 win mag 110e and i could have stuck the barrel in my mouth,  pulled the trigger with my toe, and still missed.  what a p.o.s..  savage said the gun was "with factory specs for accuracy.  (8" groups at 50 yards).  that was my first and last savage. 

   if i had to have one or the other, i would take the remington.  even if you cant trust it to last, at least when it does go "bang!" you can expect to hit something.     but that is just me.

[superdown]

who else makes a competitively priced left handed heavy BBL bolt rifle ? superdown

[sniperVLS]

i dont like remingtons or savages. 

remingtons because they screwed my old man when i was a kid.  sold him a gun (semi 3006) and in less than ten years the gun was jamming and remington admitted it was a bad design, said they could not do anything about it, except they did offer him $50 bucks off his next remington purchase.  needless to say there was no such purchase from him or us.   now i love bolts, and i know there are lots of remington fans out there,  and part of me thinks he almost deserved it for geting an auto.   but htey treated him like crap and i have a hard time with that. 

  savages....let me say that i had a 300 win mag 110e and i could have stuck the barrel in my mouth,  pulled the trigger with my toe, and still missed.  what a p.o.s..  savage said the gun was "with factory specs for accuracy.  (8" groups at 50 yards).  that was my first and last savage. 

   if i had to have one or the other, i would take the remington.  even if you cant trust it to last, at least when it does go "bang!" you can expect to hit something.     but that is just me.

You typed...(8" groups at 50 yards)...

Is that a typo?

[DalesCarpentry]

Yea I thought that also. Heck at a 100 yards you would be lucky to hit a deer. Dale

[myronman3]

unfortunatly, it was no typo.  i never even sighted in a rifle at 50yards, but we couldnt even get it on paper at 100 so we moved the target up and 8 inch groups at 50 yards was the BEST we could get from it.  we tried various bullet types and weights, powders, charges, primers, you name it.  i have seen finicky rifles before,  that one was a piece of junk.   when they sent it back to us, they sent their target with the gun, and their results were the same as ours.  i still cant believe they called that acceptable.   one of those things i wouldnt have believed if i wouldnt have seen it myself; and still have a hard time believing it after having witnessed it.   

[DalesCarpentry]

I sure see how that could leave a sour taste in your mouth for sure. Dale

[charles p]

A local newspaper has a classified add for a Savage in 270 with a 3X9 VX2 Leupold for $300.  Given that the scope is worth over half that amount, the owner isn't very proud of the Savage rifle he is offering for sale.  I sent the add to a friend who works the gunshow network.  He says used Savage rifles are slow to sell.

[myronman3]

i have seen some savages that were very accurate.   but when it comes to rifles, i expect better than 8 inch groups at 50 yards. while savage may have found it acceptable, i did not.    when i pay money for a rifle, i dont feel like gambling.

[lilabner]

The Remington 700 is the Ruger 10/22 of the centerfires. Lots of aftermarket stuff available! Get a 700 and customize it. Rebarrel, have the action straightened, buy a new stock, put in a fancy aftermarket trigger, glass bed and you'll have a rifle that will wow the guys at the gun range. It may even shoot better than an out of the box Savage some people would  be ashamed to be seen with.

[R.W.Dale]

The Remington 700 is the Ruger 10/22 of the centerfires. Lots of aftermarket stuff available! Get a 700 and customize it. Rebarrel, have the action straightened, buy a new stock, put in a fancy aftermarket trigger, glass bed and you'll have a rifle that will wow the guys at the gun range. It may even shoot better than an out of the box Savage some people would  be ashamed to be seen with.

 OR you can buy a Savage and save HUNDREDS of dollars on gunsmithing charges by being able to do all of this work YOURSELF.

 BTW a Shilen select match BBL in any caliber you can imagine costs only 340 smackers, that's fully chambered threaded and ready to install.

 I'll have exactly $400 tied up in converting my Stevens 200 to a Shilen bull barreled 7.62x39 with a stainless 1-15" twist 26" tube. This is the price for the bbl and a modified PPC sized bolt face.

 Try that with a Rem700

 I agree with the  rem700  10-22 comparison though, in that you can end up spending thousands on a gun that in the end still isn't half as accurate as the $320 CZ452 you should have bought in the first place

 

[sniperVLS]

It's amazing how a lot of you think Rems aren't accurate out of the box. I guess the 11 I've had that shot 3/4" out of the box isn't good enough for hunting 

The cheapest 700 I've ever bought was this SPS Varmint and it shoots under .5" at 100 with cheap ass american eagle fmj. After popping on the H-S stock it's a tad better but it was already good enough. I hope this place doesn't turn into a snobby bench rest shooting community. There are plenty of those as is. Arguing over 1/4" difference @ 100 yards is foolish and not something to base a purchase on. I can understand liking a trigger or a stock and how it feels/points but.....

Note: I have never seen a Remington shoot over an 1" out of the box and that goes for that cheaopo Rem 710 that was $300.00(scope included) that my cousin has. Keep justifying those purchases with "mine shoots .650" out of the box, your'es only shoots .890", ha ha"

Whatever works for some I guess....

 

[DalesCarpentry]

It's amazing how a lot of you think Rems aren't accurate out of the box. I guess the 11 I've had that shot 3/4" out of the box isn't good enough for hunting 

The cheapest 700 I've ever bought was this SPS Varmint and it shoots under .5" at 100 with cheap ass american eagle fmj. After popping on the H-S stock it's a tad better but it was already good enough. I hope this place doesn't turn into a snobby bench rest shooting community. There are plenty of those as is. Arguing over 1/4" difference @ 100 yards is foolish and not something to base a purchase on. I can understand liking a trigger or a stock and how it feels/points but.....

Note: I have never seen a Remington shoot over an 1" out of the box and that goes for that cheaopo Rem 710 that was $300.00(scope included) that my cousin has. Keep justifying those purchases with "mine shoots .650" out of the box, your'es only shoots .890", ha ha"

Whatever works for some I guess....

 

+1  I myself have owned a couple other Remington 700'S besides the one I have now. All of them have shot way under an inch MOA. Dale

[Beers]

Wow. The whole Rem vs. Savage thing seems to be a recurring point of contention 'round here. Reading this thread has been great for laughs guys. The vicious brand bashing surprises me though....

I'm a Remington man myself, I've got 4. They all shoot great, I've taken deer w/ all but the .22 so apparently they work fine. Thing is.. I've got a brother in law that loves Savage. He's got 6 of 'em, all centerfire. Every one of 'em shoots as well as my Remingtons. A few of those he's put money into, a few are stock. He's got no complaints about them, If I were him, neither would I. I've owned a Savage, 110 7mm mag. It was a great gun, very accurate. I tried to sell it here a while ago, my only problem was I never used it. (not a huge fan of the caliber for my purposes, maybe if I lived out west..) My brother in law wound up buying it...

I guess the point I'm getting at here is, it's purely a matter of personal preference. There's not a darn thing wrong w/ either company, or it's guns. Try 'em out, hold them. Shoot them if you can arrange it. Buy what fits your taste and needs. I don't believe either company is any more likely to disappoint you than the other.

[700 223]

It's amazing how a lot of you think Rems aren't accurate out of the box.

Yeah , kind of what I was thinking. All the Varmint/Tactical models I have owned 700VS , 700VLS , 700P and the ones I currently own - 700LTR and 700SPS  , all displayed excellent accuracy.

 Had a guy on another forum that wanted me to drive at least a 400 mile round trip so he could show me firsthand how much better his custom Savage shoots compared to my 700 with aftermarket trigger. I told him he was welcome to make the trip to my range with gas at $3.27 a gallon.

But like I mentioned earlier I finally bought a Savage and it is a bad barrel fouler. If I had to enter a contest to shoot the best aggregate with a factory rifle I would take my 700LTR over my 12BVSS every day of the week.

Still there are those who believe that any Varmint/Tactical 700 won't shoot without thousands of dollars of work and upgrades. 

[*ROCK-MAN*]

I own a Remington 700BDL in 30-06 and it was made in 1979 and is all original other than a new trigger/safety job from Remington when I sent it in for the safety modification program.Had a smith set the new trigger for me.I only shoot three shot groups as this is how I was brought up and it shoots under an inch every time @ 100yds and this with factory green box ammo as I don't reload.The factory woodgrain stock is probably more beautifull now than it looked new.For deer hunting which is what I do I don't see how anyone could doubt the Remington product.I have never owned a Savage firearm so cannot say one way or the other about them but as I have owned at least 30 Remmys over the years with out ever having a problem with one's accuracy or working mechanics I can definately vouch for them.
Good Luck either way,
Rock

[Cement Man]

I have never owned a centerfire Remington rifle.  Shotguns and rimfires, but no centerfires.  Never had any interest in one (love the looks of that Model 7 though) but several of my hunting buddies have had model 700's  and I have developed a respect for them over many years of shooting alongside them.  I currently own four Savages - cheapo blu/syn .223, lamo fluted SS heavy barrel .223, a 10MLII lamo SS muzzleloader, and a single shot .22LR.  I have had excellent, if not phenomenal, results with all of them.
There must be something wrong with me.  I don't have anything bad to say about either brand.  I think they're both good.

[dstegjas]

Another vote for Remington. Nothing against the Savage rifles, but I preferred the Remington. This one is a 700 VS with a LH action, 308 caliber.



Jim

[dstegjas]

savages....let me say that i had a 300 win mag 110e and i could have stuck the barrel in my mouth,  pulled the trigger with my toe, and still missed.

Ok, that made me laugh out loud.   

Jim

[sniperVLS]

Another vote for Remington. Nothing against the Savage rifles, but I preferred the Remington. This one is a 700 VS with a LH action, 308 caliber.



Jim

Ahhh the elusive VS, NEVER sell that rifle and if you do, sell it to me!! 

[rem700-3]

 

[rem700-3]

Let me see here,,,,,,,,,, after much thought and price not being the only deciding factor   I think I would choose a PORSCHE over a pacer.................REMINGTON

[rem700-3]

I have several 700's in various calibers and have owned many more in the past  I have a first year production (1965) heavy barrel 22-250 straight out of the box (never been modified in any way period) I will go 3 shot groups with anyone any gun you name the price per group and the distance, factory ammo.  If you're gun shoots like mine and you can shoot it we will leave in a draw. It is the best shooting rifle I have ever had the privilege to fire and I have owned and built several custom guns that cost alot more.

[R.W.Dale]

OH lordy! Where's my hip waders at?

[jhm]

Savage are they still in Business???   Nuff said!!!!   Jim

[Savage .250]

If cost doesn't matter then it's a matter of your taste. I'd buy a Savage because I like them more.

   Good answer. 

[slim rem 7]

   most accurate rifle ive owned ..is a savage 110 30-06

[rem700-3]

I not knocking the savage Ive never owned one, of the 2 Ive shot 1 shot very well (under half inch at 100 yards) but it had been tuned extensively and was very sensitive about the loads you put in it.   My 700 22-250 shoots 1 hole at 300 yards every time with the two rounds it likes(and you dont need waders,just 3 rounds 300 yards and a target).

[R.W.Dale]

1 hole at 300 yards every time

 Then get that rifle on record then. Because it sounds like you have a rifle that'll constantly beat the field of shooters at 300yard IBS competitions. I bet they'd be shocked to find out that their $10,000 purpose built benchrest guns aren't any more accurate than your $500 remington

 DANG! my stevens 200 benchrest gun with it's shilen match bbl, leupold 36x scope, and aftermarket everything else "only" shoots 1" 5 shot groups at 300m I wasted my cash I could have bought a walley world remchester and been shooting 1/8th MOA this whole time  like you


 Scratch the hip waders I need a boat

[DalesCarpentry]

1 hole at 300 yards every time

 Then get that rifle on record then. Because it sounds like you have a rifle that'll constantly beat the field of shooters at 300yard IBS competitions. I bet they'd be shocked to find out that their $10,000 purpose built benchrest guns aren't any more accurate than your $500 remington

 DANG! my stevens 200 benchrest gun with it's shilen match bbl, leupold 36x scope, and aftermarket everything else "only" shoots 1" 5 shot groups at 300m I wasted my cash I could have bought a walley world remchester and been shooting 1/8th MOA this whole time  like you


 Scratch the hip waders I need a boat

Very well said. Dale