Author Topic: Puma 92 help needed (Read 5904 times)

Gene R · « **on:** February 13, 2008, 04:23:10 AM »

I first had the 92 in .44mag with HI Viz sights and 16" ported barrel, was way too loud and shot 6" high. I recently sold it and bought a new one with standard sights, 44mag, 20" barrel and it too shoots 5" high at 50 yards.

Any suggestions, I have lowered the rear sight as far as I can.

aglass1987 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:15:07 AM »

Im in the same problem. I bought a Puma 44mag with a 16" barrel bout two months ago. I completely took mine apart several times and put it back together to learn the gun. But at 45 yards for me the gun also shoots high even with it adjusted on the lowest setting. I was reading through some of these pages and found that the solution might be to get a taller sight but i havent got the smallest idea of where you could get one at for the puma 92.

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:11:37 AM »

I've bought three of them so far two in .45 Colt a 20" and a 24" and both have been very accurate and I had no trouble adjusting them to hit at POA. I've also got a 20" round barrel in .357 Magnum but have not fired it yet so can't comment on it yet.

But if you can't get it down enough with the rear sight bottomed out you need a taller front sight. I'm pretty sure the dovetail for the front is a standard one and you should be able to use a Lyman or Williams replacement in it once you figure out how high yours is just get the next taller size and it should work fine. Brownell's stocks them I'm sure as do other sources.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:58:45 PM »

you could also try a lighter bullet.

teddy12b · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:41:24 PM »

I have a Puma 92 20" stainless 44mag and I really like it. It's a comfortable gun to shoot, but I haven't owned it long enough to have put many rounds through it. I really haven't had any problems with getting mine to hit where I'm aiming. I broke the gun in with one batch of reloads and then found that the speer gold dot reloads I had shot a tighter group. I carried the gold dots for hunting, but I still want to find the most accurate hunting bullet I can in that gun.

I also fired some factory grizzley 320gr hard cast ammo one day at the range. I didn't see where they went and didn't have the time to try to figure it out when I had other ammo that shot to my POA. In any event the ammo you use could get you on or off target pretty quick.

I'd love to hear what ammo works the best for you all in your 44's.

aglass1987 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2008, 08:40:21 AM »

I started shooting Winchester 240 gr soft points in my 44 and i love them. I use to shoot Winchester 240gr platinum hollow points, but those soft points are a way better bullet to shoot. Plus with the hollow points I was shooting bout 10" high, but with the soft points its only bout 5" high now.They seem like they cycle better than the hollow points too!

teddy12b · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2008, 06:17:55 PM »

I had mine out to the range today for the first time in a while. I ended up shooting 50, 100, and 150 yard steel targets with mine. I was mostly using up 240gr XTP handloads, but also some speer dots that I had left. As much as I love a nice scoped rifle there is really something for banging away at a steel plate with a lever action 44mag. The rifle performed perfectly for 100 rounds in about 30 degree weather. I think everyone should have one of these guns.

I actually had a box of winchester white box 240gr JSP, but I didn't get to them.

m-g Willy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2008, 10:12:59 AM »

You can also deepen the notch in the rear sight and file the top down to lower bullet impact.

Willy

Dee · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2008, 11:04:25 AM »

Good Lord a simple taller front sight will CURE THE PROBLEM, "AND" not deface the rifle. Marbles sells them, Lyman, Williams, and so on. They are not expensive. Measure the front sight with a set of calipurs or a ruler, and order the next size taller.

towpro · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2008, 11:23:47 AM »

Below is what Marbles sent me when I asked about replacement sights. I did try a standard American front sight but it was loose because it really did not fit the dovetail correct.

SORRY,BUT WE DO NOT MAKE REPLACEMENT SIGHTS TO FIT THE PUMA 1892. THEIR DOVETAIL IS SPECIAL. THE ANGLE IS 7 DEG. WITH ABOUT .425" ACROSS THE DOVETAIL. MARBLE'S IS 60 DEG. WITH .395" ACROSS THE DOVETAIL. TROY

PS: My Puma (legacy sports) 1892, 45 colt, 24" oct barrel brass receiver version shoots POA from 25 to over 100 yards shooting 250 grain lead in front of 5.2 grains of Clays. At 200 meters I have to aim around 12" above the steel chicken to make er ring.

smittty · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2008, 09:19:11 AM »

Is this one of the pumas with the front sight that's one piece with the front barrel band? That one is not changeable unless to do some magic to it.

If it's a regular front dovetail sight it's a breeze to change and inexspensive.

Smitty

Gene R · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2008, 09:40:20 AM »

I called Legacy Arms today, the guy was very helpful. The rifle comes standard with 10mm fron sight, he is sending me 2ea 12.8mm front sights, one for each rifle at no charge. The guy I sold the last one to is having the same problem so I will give him one as well.

It will take a week or 2 to get them.
Does anyone have an idea how much the poa will change with the front sight raising 2.8mm or .110" at 50 yards???

Thanks for everyones reply.
Gene

towpro · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2008, 01:46:51 PM »

I was looking for the type front site with the round brass bead on top.
But I can live with the stock sights if I have to.

navylawdog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2008, 03:31:34 PM »

I have the same problem with my .454 shooting the .454's. If I shoot .45 colt reloads with 300 grain bullets it hits right on. I bought it to shoot the .454's though as I already have a .45 colt lever action. So Gene R. Do you have the number to LSI handy by chance so I can get a new sight as well?

Navylawdog

Gene R · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2008, 04:10:46 AM »

Yes, here is who I spoke to.

Customer Sales

Emmit Causey
1-775-828-0555
www.legacysports.com

Gene

navylawdog · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2008, 02:01:55 PM »

Thanks Gene! I will have to give him a call.

Navylawdog

Mikey · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2008, 01:51:43 AM »

guys - check your Brownell's Catalog fro front sights for those Puma's. I had thought, most likely erroneously now, that a replica Winchester 92 might possibly have the same front sight base dimensions as a Winchester 92 and that you could contact Winchester for new front sight blades.

Failing that, the suggestion to contact Legacy sports is a good one. But, to find out the difference in front sight heights that you will need you can still go to the Brownell's catalog and look at their matrix chart for front sight blade heights - the chart will tell you, based on how high you hit at what distance, how much taller your front sight should be. Pull the current front sight blade, measure it from bottom to top, add the difference from the chart and that will tell you how tall your front sight blade should be.

As an example, going in the opposite direction is what I had to do with a 94AE Timber Carbine in 444 - darn thing hit about a foot low at 100m with the rear sight all the way up. The front sight measured .294-.296" from top to bottom; called Browning/Winchester and they sent me a .264" tall front sight (tallest one made for the 444s); still hit about 6" low at the same distance; called back and they sent me one from a 94AE in 450; now with the rear sight to the top I can drop factory loads into the bull at 100 yds but with the pet 300 gn slugs she is still a bit low. I'm calling back for a .244" tall front sight blade and that should cure my problems.

You need a taller front sight blade and you should be able to figure the necessary height of the blade from the chart I referenced. HTH. Mikey.

Rangr44 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2008, 03:47:14 AM »

Newer South American (Rossi/Puma/Legacy et al) Model 92's have standard dovetails, and take any standard replacement sight(s) (Marble's/Lyman/Williams/etc).

Earlier ones have non-standard dovetails. IIRC, there's a gunsmith, over on www.leverguns.com that works on them.

Sight height/regulation should be calculated at 100 yards not shorter distances - or you will get a false indication of your woe(s).

If a rifle shoots too high at 100yds, with the rear sight fully down, it needs a higher front sight.

Here's Brownell's Sight Height Calculator:

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/sight.aspx

Bergoobob · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2008, 11:41:25 PM »

Pull the sight elevator off and let it fall all the way down. If it shoots low now then file the bottom notch in the elevator to get the POI to match the POA

WyrTwister · « **Reply #19 on:** April 02, 2008, 04:49:01 PM »

Quote from: Gene R on February 13, 2008, 04:23:10 AM

I first had the 92 in .44mag with HI Viz sights and 16" ported barrel, was way too loud and shot 6" high. I recently sold it and bought a new one with standard sights, 44mag, 20" barrel and it too shoots 5" high at 50 yards.

Any suggestions, I have lowered the rear sight as far as I can.

Either buy a taller front sight ot builf it up with J. B. Weld & then file it to suit .

God bless
Wyr

WyrTwister · « **Reply #20 on:** April 02, 2008, 04:51:45 PM »

Quote from: m-g Willy on February 17, 2008, 10:12:59 AM

You can also deepen the notch in the rear sight and file the top down to lower bullet impact.

Willy

Filing down the front sight raised the point of impacr .

God bless
Wyr

NickSS · « **Reply #21 on:** April 02, 2008, 09:06:49 PM »

I have a 20 inch Stainless in 45 colt that I simply love now but I have had to completely change my sights on it to get it to work. After several false starts I ended up raising the front sight and replacing the rear sight. My rifle has the front sight base as part of the front barrel band. It is held in by a pin. I drove the pin out and found a piece of steel stock the same thickness and using a metal scribe I marked the size and location of the hole. A little work with a hacksaw, drill, and files and I had a new blade that was taller than the original. I installed it using the same pin I removed. I bought a Marbles buckhorn rear sight and installed it this one has a moveable notch for zeroing. A trip to the range and a little fileing on the front sight and some adjustment of the rear and I was on target at 100 yards with my +p handload. Using a cowboy load the rifle is right on at 50 yards so I do not have to change the sight. I have used this rifle extensively now for nearly 10 years and it does me very well for everything I need it for.

WyrTwister · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2008, 11:08:10 AM »

Quote from: Gene R on February 13, 2008, 04:23:10 AM

I first had the 92 in .44mag with HI Viz sights and 16" ported barrel, was way too loud and shot 6" high. I recently sold it and bought a new one with standard sights, 44mag, 20" barrel and it too shoots 5" high at 50 yards.

Any suggestions, I have lowered the rear sight as far as I can.

Try it at 100 yards .

Wyr
God bless

WyrTwister · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2008, 12:26:08 AM »

Quote from: Gene R on February 13, 2008, 04:23:10 AM

I first had the 92 in .44mag with HI Viz sights and 16" ported barrel, was way too loud and shot 6" high. I recently sold it and bought a new one with standard sights, 44mag, 20" barrel and it too shoots 5" high at 50 yards.

Any suggestions, I have lowered the rear sight as far as I can.

How does it shoot at 100 yards ?

God bless
Wyr

Gene R · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2008, 05:03:13 AM »

I fixed the problem by reloading my own. I load my 240 gr soft point hot and my POA lowerd perfectly.

Gene

m-g Willy · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2008, 02:00:03 AM »

Quote from: WyrTwister on April 02, 2008, 04:51:45 PM

Quote from: m-g Willy on February 17, 2008, 10:12:59 AM
You can also deepen the notch in the rear sight and file the top down to lower bullet impact.

Willy

Filing down the front sight raised the point of impacr .

God bless
Wyr

Sorry I didn't make myself clear.
I was talking about deeping the notch and filing the top of the (rear sight)
Didn't intend for anyone to touch the front sight with a file.

Willy

Castaway · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2008, 04:01:32 AM »

Put an aperture on the rear, either tang or receiver mounted. Then you can lower the erar sight and take advantage of the benefits that aperture offer.

jason280 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 14, 2008, 08:09:27 PM »

I recently picked up a 92 in .38/.357, and I have run into a similar problem. The gun is dead on at 25 yards with .38 Special, but about 3-3.5" high with .357 loads. I haven't tried it at 50 yards, but I expect it will be even higher. I did notice that I may be able to use a smaller insert for the rear sight, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

sasu · « **Reply #28 on:** August 15, 2008, 05:18:17 AM »

I had to try several different height Williams Firesights on my Winchester 94 Trapper before I got the point of impact within the rear sight adjustment range. They are not too expensive and very easy to change.

jlchucker · « **Reply #29 on:** August 16, 2008, 04:59:39 AM »

3 or 4 years ago I bought an EMF Hartford rifle in 44 mag, made by Rossi. I found I needed a different front sight, and called EMF. They Referred me to Nate Kiowa Jones, who is a nationally recognized Rossi expert. I emailed him, and got a quick, informative reply. It seems that, at least on Hartford model 92's, the sights are a standard 3/8" dovetail. Thus, most any front sight made by Marbles, Lyman, Williams, etc will fit properly. I changed out a couple before I got the right height for the receiver sight that I had put on. By the way--I found that the casehardening on my receiver was really deep, but it was still possible to drill and tap for a Lyman 66 receiver sight, which I prefer over the tang versions.