Went to the gun show today, found a dealer that had some Handi's. I got a 17hm2 with black stocks, a 243 ultra with the nice wood stocks. Both rifles have heavy barrels and scope mounts. The hm2 is a 2004 and the 243 is new, after alot of talking, 300.00 out the door. I don"t think I made out to bad.