Author Topic: Savage -- Long Range Precision Varminter (Read 2408 times)

robert4570 · « **on:** January 13, 2008, 05:15:19 PM »

This is a fairly new model , right hand bolt left eject , single shot with a 1" diameter barrel.
Anyone have any comments on it ?
I've considered one in .22-250 .
Thanks
Robert

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2008, 06:16:50 AM »

A very good looking gun IMO...A very accurate gun right out of the box, also very heavy. It is a PD or bench rest type gun, definitely not a carry gun. I do not need it, but sure would like to have one.

nofun1 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2008, 12:48:34 PM »

I just bought 3- 223,22-250 and 204 I agree very heavy cool looking and a great deal for the money it comes with a $400. HS stock with aluminum block. I have only shot the 223 so far and am thrilled with it I have tried 6 loads all under 3/4" most around 1/2 and I havent tweeked yet I think it will shoot .2 or .3 when i'm done its a great gun but dont plan to carry very far its a pig.

Willie496 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2008, 02:03:09 PM »

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I would love to have this gun .22 250 for longrange coyote shooting.. Way to heavy to carry in the field.

rks1949 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2008, 10:50:10 AM »

I just ordered one in 223 with a 1-9 twist bore. Hope it's a tack driver. Ron

yorketransport · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:19:31 PM »

Hello everyone. I have the LRPV in 22-250 with a 1-12 twist. It is definitely my favorite rifle. I can get .5" groups with factory ammo all day long. With average handloads, it will run in the .3's. With good handloads, it is in the low .2's or better. And these are all with 5 shot groups.

This group is from a load that isn't quite done yet. I still need to adjust the powder charge a bit. The current load is Win brass, CCI BR2 primer, 30.0gr H322, and a Berger 52gr match HP seated .02" off the lands.

I haven't seen one yet that wasn't a one hole gun after a little load developement.

nofun1 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:01:12 PM »

Hey Yorker, is that Berger HP match a varmint bullet or a paper puncher? Id love to get that kind of accuracy out of a varmint bullet. What kind of velocity does that load give you?

rks1949 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2008, 02:31:34 AM »

yorketransport,Great Shooting!

That load show's great promise. My gun in .223 has a long leade,I can run the bullet out to 2.360 and still have .030 off the lands. Has your 250 got a long leade in it too,or is this just common in the .233 for the long heavy bullets? Ron

nofun1 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2008, 02:59:16 AM »

1949, I just measured mine and its 2.209 with a 50gr Vmax I also have a 9" twist

rks1949 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2008, 01:56:24 PM »

nofun1, I'm guessing that yours is a 223? Mine dosen't shoot any bullet well under 60grs. I may have to try diffrent powders,so far Varget in this gun is thumbs down. The W748 shoots well in it,with the 69gr. bullets. It would be nice to find a lighter bullet/powder combination that performed well in it also. Ron

yorketransport · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2008, 11:32:24 AM »

I just got back from the range after making my final adjustments on this particular load. Here's the end result:

Now I need to move it out to 200yds and see if the groups still hold up.

nofun1, the Berger is called a match bullet, but I'm told that they work pretty well on larger varmints like coyotes. As for velocity, I haven't bothered to check how fast it's moving. I would guess around 3300, maybe a little faster.

rks1949, I'm not sure what the average leade is on a 22-250, but this seems pretty long. With this particular bullet, 2.507" puts me just touching the lands. The sweet spot is .020" off though. After looking in load manuals at OAL, this looks longer than average.

nofun1 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2008, 01:00:39 PM »

yorketransport That is awesome but to get groups like that its not just the gun , Good shooting

rks1949 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2008, 05:18:56 PM »

Yes that IS great shooting! Sounds like you have that load diailed in. Let us know how it performs at 200yds. Ron

yorketransport · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:02:27 PM »

Thanks for the kind words guys. Before I got this rifle, I was happy if I could get my guns to shoot 3 shots into 1" at 100yds. Now anything over .5" looks pathetic. So far there are a total of 4 LRPV's at my range, and they pretty much all shoot like this one. Savage is certainly doing something right, because these guns are nothing short of amazing.

rks1949 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2008, 03:12:33 AM »

yorketransport,They are amazing guns! I had to remove my scope (a Sightron SII 6X24X42MD) and send it in. While shooting we noticed that the poi would drift a little. We would re-zero it and the next day the POI would be off again?On one target I would shoot at the center,make a group,then shoot into the group(hole). The bullets would strike the target,a little higher with each shot. So may be when the scope is returned the groups will tighten up. It was really messing up the load development results.Ron

yorketransport · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:38:16 AM »

I think you may have me beat with that group. Mine are only 5 shots. My only problem with with the rifle is that those tiny groups are addictive. When I bought it, all I really wanted was a gun that would shoot .5 MOA. When that wasn't a challenge it shrunk down to .25. Now I'm not happy with anything over .2. The next step is to go to another caliber. A second rifle in either 6mm BR or 6.5x284 is high on the list. Maybe just a second barrel in one of these and make the gun a switch barrel? Either way, these tiny groups are addictive and potentially expensive. But I love them.

rks1949 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:19:38 PM »

;DYeah ta sickness! But the only cure it a smaller group. I have a friend that still shoots competive bench rest,and the 6.5X284 is a winner! They sure shoot sweet,and buck the wind great too! That F Class gun may be in my future,it's hard to beat the price,and there are many company's making pre-fit barrels for them. So a upgrade wouldn't be too bad (there's that disease again) Ron

nofun1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2008, 10:20:08 PM »

Hey Yorker how long is the OAL? If .020 off the lands that makes mine 2.470 that doesnt give me a very deep seat in the brass.

rks1949 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2008, 11:56:49 PM »

Ok,what happened to all the LRPV shooters? Guns in the closet? Taken up cross country skiing? Ron

yorketransport · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2008, 04:21:47 AM »

The problem with the LRPV is that it never gets left in the closet. Instead of working on my other problem or project guns, I spend all of my time with the Savage. On the last trip to the range I tried out to 200yds. The groups were certainly nothing to get excited about. The best was a .655". The others were not nearly that good. I actually packed up and called it a day since my shooting was just off the mark that day. It's probably just shooter fatigue after spending too much time behind a problematic 300 WSM I'm working on.

I had the money set aside to get a second Savage in either 6mm BR or 6.5x284, but the local gun shop talked me into a Dan Wesson CCBT in 10mm. Now the "gun fund" is back to zero for a while.

rks1949 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2008, 12:30:14 PM »

We finally had a good day to shoot today,nothing at long yardage but the loads showed good promise at 200yds. The 24.5 W748 shot in at under 1/4 inch at 200,and the VV N540 load 26.2 shot in a little tighter around .2 CTC. Both guns seem to like the W748,and we are getting "hosed" pretty good by our local dealer on the N540 (@ 30.00 plus tax per pound). My gun really like the N540,and it's clocking at 3050fps. while the W748 is at 2870fps. with the 24.5 load. I think when the N540 is gone,I'll use the W748 (much) cheaper,and seems to produce as good of accuracy,just a little slower,and that dosen't make much diffrence,with bigger bullets. Ron

yorketransport · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2008, 04:17:07 PM »

If you were shooting in the .2's at 200yds at the bench next to me, I think I would have packed up and gone home in shame. That's some impressive shooting in my book!

I'd like to try some heavier bullets, but I can't decide what to try next.

rks1949 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 02, 2008, 02:36:05 AM »

Quote from: yorketransport on March 01, 2008, 04:17:07 PM

If you were shooting in the .2's at 200yds at the bench next to me, I think I would have packed up and gone home in shame. That's some impressive shooting in my book!

I'd like to try some heavier bullets, but I can't decide what to try next.

We are shooting the Sierra 69gr. HPBT Match,and Hornady 68 HPBT Match bullets. There isn't much diffrence between the two bullets in either gun. That being said,the 68's do shoot flatter,and have a higher Bc (.355). What has helped us allot is to crono the loads,and find a load with a low SD. We have found that a load with a wide variation in velocity will shoot one hole at one hundred yards,but won't cut it at long yardage. A low SD will almost allways shoot good at 100yds. and beyond. The farther you shoot the more the velocity spread shows up. I have a friend (he has helped me allot) that shoots test loads through his cronograph,with NO target down range. He claims that until a load shows a LOW SD number,there is NO use to put it on paper. He wins most of the long range matches in the mid-west,and is one heck of a shot,so when he talks,I listen real close! Ron

gunrac · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2008, 08:52:48 AM »

They also look as good as they shoot. Just haven't had a decent day to play with the long yardage stuff.

rks1949 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2008, 03:30:01 PM »

They are accurate especially for a factory gun. If you take your time developing a load the gun will shoot very small groups. Ron

gunrac · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2008, 01:34:51 AM »

Quote from: rks1949 on March 03, 2008, 03:30:01 PM

They are accurate especially for a factory gun. If you take your time developing a load the gun will shoot very small groups. Ron

Kinda something like this Ron. This is a three shot group at 100 yd. that came in toward the end of my break-in.
CCI 200.....IMR 4895 34gr.......SIERRA 52gr. HPBT

I was lucky enough to find my BVSS 22-250 REM in a 9 twist. This particular model is starting to dry up. What I'm interested in, is finding a little help for a starter to max load for the A-MAX 75GR. bullet. I have came across info for about everything else.

I waiting on a Burris 6x24 Sig. to show. Once I get the 75's tuned in, I'm going to add a KENTON TCC to it. I have a fixed 12 Leopold on right now. I want to be able to launch some very accurate rocket's "quickly".

I'm going to have a blast playing with this outfit. My objective is to be able to shoot 40 grainers up to 75's consistently. Maybe even some 77's down the road. That is why I wanted a 9 twist. It's called versatility. Ya, I already purchased a thick data book.

rks1949 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:28:58 AM »

Let us know how the 75's workout!

Ron

Hafast · « **Reply #27 on:** March 05, 2008, 01:32:33 PM »

It looks like you guys have the same problem as I do. No matter what I do with load development or shooting technique, I can never hit those dang coins.

rks1949 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 06, 2008, 12:32:25 AM »

Yup!

Haven't hit one yet! Ron

rks1949 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 19, 2008, 02:06:07 AM »

Finally got to strech out the legs on the LRPV last Saturday. It was cold with a cross wind around 10-15mph,but we could still hit small (4inch) balloons at 500yds pretty consistantly.We were planning on shooting farther,but got cold,and were having trouble "reading the hits" with the ground still wet from all the rain last week.Can'
t wait for it to dry up around here,(got 6.25 inches of rain yesterday). Ron