The Lawyers have gotten to Speer...

[Bill In SC]

I picked up Speer #14 on a whim the other day, and WOW….   The lawyers have really took the wind out of there sails.

Here are a few examples:

6.5X55 Swedish Mauser

There are now two sections, one for the Military Swedes, and one for “Strong Commercial Actions”

Data:

140 Grain Spitzer

#13

IMR 4064  35.5 – 39.5

RL 22  44.0-48.0


#14
(Military) IMR 4064  31.0 – 33.0
       RL 22  38.0 -40.0

(Commercial)  IMR 4064  34.0 – 36.0
       RL 22  43.0 - 45.0

I guess we all will have to moth ball or old Swedes( Yeah Right...)…   Dang shame when the “Lawyers” and “Accountants” run a company instead of the folks who know what they are doing….

I looked at a couple of other loads in the book and they are reduced across the board….   Guess I will quit shooting Speer bullets…   Didn’t like them much anyway.

[longwinters]

Maybe they have been listening to many reloaders complaints about "weak loads" for older calibers.  In this example you gave a person can choose their loads based on the action etc... that they have.  I think it looks like a great idea.

Long

[Lloyd Smale]

Id say threre protecting themselves from idiots more then anything. theres a pretty good amount of handloaders that when first starting reloading will automaticaly load the stiffest load they can find published.  They wouldnt weight the fact that a 100 year old military weapon may not be as strong as a modern gun. Some of those old 93 mausers just arent as strong as the modern winchesters and remingtons and just becasue you and i know that doesnt mean someone that was just handed gramdpas old mauser and decides to load for it knows it too. In this day and age of everyone suiting everyone it suprises me that bullet makeres still have the nerve to even publish a loading manual.

[Questor]

I think that's a sensible refinement in their data. The old military Swedes are getting to be like the old 45-70: It's holding back development of the round for modern rifles, which are pretty popular in that cartridge. I'd like to see them do a similar section distinguishing the 223 Remington from the 5.56 military round too. The military rounds are made for higher pressures. They have made a similar distinction for some of the old 8mm   Mausers that had a caliber change somewhere in their history. Most load books distinguish between 45LC and 45LC in a Ruger/Contender/Freedeom.

They probably just saw a surge in interest in 6.5 Swede sales due to the popularity of brands like Tikka and CZ, and re-tested to ensure they were giving this new generation of shooters better data.

[davem270win]

I've always felt that the Speer manuals were the most conservative available. I don't know that lawyer had anything to do with that.

[Coyote Hunter]

I think that's a sensible refinement in their data. The old military Swedes are getting to be like the old 45-70: It's holding back development of the round for modern rifles, which are pretty popular in that cartridge. 
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They probably just saw a surge in interest in 6.5 Swede sales due to the popularity of brands like Tikka and CZ, and re-tested to ensure they were giving this new generation of shooters better data.

I agree.  Its kind of like the .257 Roberts/.257 Roberts +P data.



Bill in SC -

Your comparisons would have carried more weight if you had included the maximum velocities.  The Speer #14 isn't available to me so I can't make the comparison myself.  Powder charges alone don't tell the story.