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Offline flintman

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« on: June 23, 2003, 06:01:07 AM »
Hi All,I am going to be purchasing a .45 L.Colt and would like everyone's input on this.Is a S&W 25 in .45LC good and strong enough for a normal working load of 255 grain Keith bullets at 1100 fps?How about 325 grain cast swc's at 1,000 fps?I will be going by the loading manuals on powder charges,etc. I do not really feel that I need a double action,but the S&W is more of what I do like.:D
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2003, 06:37:32 AM »
I would stay away from the Smith for hot loads all the time.  If you like the double action feel, try a single action Ruger Bisley. It gives you a feel similar to a double action revolver in the grip and the strength and balance of the single action revolver.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2003, 08:29:33 AM »
I agree the 45 Bisley is a better hot gun.  If you want a power in a Smith get the 44 mag instead  he 45 has thin cylinders

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2003, 03:29:55 PM »
255 grains at 1100 fps is not a hot load!  The Smith should eat these the rest of your life.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2003, 02:06:19 AM »
Ill agree with Dan on this for what you want to do a smith will do fine.
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255 grains at 1100 fps is not a hot load!  The Smith should eat these the rest of your life.

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Yea, What he said (1,100 255 gr. not a hot load) shoot it.
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2003, 04:15:43 PM »
I don't know him, but I will agree with him.  It is not a hot load, S&W should eat them like salted peanuts.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2003, 06:33:09 PM »
Those 255s at 1100 are a fair bit above the recommended pressure level for the S&W. Manufacturer and most folks in the know say keep them at same level as the Colt SSA. I suspect it "might" take that but dunno for how long.

Don't agree the Bisley is in any way like a double action. Also can't take the recoil from one I can from a DA. In a S&W 29/629 I have no problem with max loads of 240-300 grain bullets for extented shooting sessions. Have fired several hundred max loads in a day. With the Bisley I find 300s anywhere above 1100 very punishing and at 1250 I have a hard time holding on. Compare that to the RB .454 pushing 330s at 1550 which is mild to me.

I like my current Bisley .45 Colt. One of the 5.5" SS limited editions. Very accurate but I have on order a new one Taurus is coming out with.

It is the Total Titanium Tracker with 6.5" barrel and five shot cylinder. Total weight is only 28.0 oz. According to the folks at Taurus the cylinder and frame have been lengthened from the other Trackers and it will take the Buffalo Bore .45 Colt loads. A direct quote from them. Dunno what retail is but my dealer priced it to me at $499. Should be here in a week or less.

I mention the BB loads because they are definitely at and above the load mentioned above of 255s at 1100 so this one is factory rated to take them.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2003, 11:56:50 PM »
recoil is a subjective thing. personally a bisley is more confortable for me to shoot then a DA but a DA is more confortable then a plow handle single action. I would rather shoot my bisley with 300s at 1300 then a model 29 with factory 240s. Boy if that titanium .45 will really take those loads it sure would be the ultimate packing gun. I cant wait for your report on it. If it turns out good Ill sure be buying one of them!
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Those 255s at 1100 are a fair bit above the recommended pressure level for the S&W. Manufacturer and most folks in the know say keep them at same level as the Colt SSA. I suspect it "might" take that but dunno for how long.

Don't agree the Bisley is in any way like a double action. Also can't take the recoil from one I can from a DA. In a S&W 29/629 I have no problem with max loads of 240-300 grain bullets for extented shooting sessions. Have fired several hundred max loads in a day. With the Bisley I find 300s anywhere above 1100 very punishing and at 1250 I have a hard time holding on. Compare that to the RB .454 pushing 330s at 1550 which is mild to me.

I like my current Bisley .45 Colt. One of the 5.5" SS limited editions. Very accurate but I have on order a new one Taurus is coming out with.

It is the Total Titanium Tracker with 6.5" barrel and five shot cylinder. Total weight is only 28.0 oz. According to the folks at Taurus the cylinder and frame have been lengthened from the other Trackers and it will take the Buffalo Bore .45 Colt loads. A direct quote from them. Dunno what retail is but my dealer priced it to me at $499. Should be here in a week or less.

I mention the BB loads because they are definitely at and above the load mentioned above of 255s at 1100 so this one is factory rated to take them.

GB
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2003, 04:38:19 PM »
In strength (including internal action parts) the S&W is closer to the Colt SAA than any Ruger.  That said, if a double action is still preferred, why not look for one the blue Redhawks in 45 Colt.  Definitely has the strength and double action too.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2003, 06:23:22 AM »
Is this-why is it not offered in 4.75" and 5.5" blued lenths?I like the Vaquero/Bisley cross,but I want adjustable sights! :D
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2003, 04:56:07 PM »
Update on the Titanium Tracker:

After discussing this with three folks at Taurus all of whom assured me they had it in stock and my dealer's suppliers saying no it ain't I finally got to the right person. Seems none have been made yet. They are hoping for them to be produced later this year but it could slip to next year or to not at all. I was told they are not selling many .45LC guns and may just cancel the entire line in that caliber if sales don't pick up. Drat!

At any rate they do already have in stock the Model 44 in .44 mag. with the 12" barrel. This is about as close as I'm gonna get to that old S&W 29 with 10-5/8" barrel you see me holding in the photo I use for my avatar. It will be here next week and I'll wait and hope for them to produce the Ti Tracker in .45 Colt.

flintman, Ruger made a limited run of SS Bisleys with the adjustable sights in a 5.5" barrel length. I think they did this in several calibers. I have one in .45LC that is the absolute best Ruger I've ever owned. Folks who know me know I seldom have anything good to say about Rugers but folks this one is a winner and a keeper.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2003, 05:13:51 PM »
Flintman, the original Redhawks (not Super) were offered in 5.5 barrels as well as 7.5.  I had a 5.5" 44 for a while.  With the size frame that they have they would have all the balance and grace of a rock with anything shorter.  You may have to watch the web auctions and gun papers to find one.   Also, their triggers can be smoothed to a really good double action.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2003, 10:15:56 AM »
I have a 4 5/8 ruger 45lc with adjustable sights it is great to 75 yards and good to 125. I like the feel of the western guns and the natural pointing. I like to load 300 gr soft lead bullets (.458 mold sized down to .451) at about 500 fps., no kick and lots knock down.
I have gone hoter and I have gone to a heavier bullet, using .458 molds and sizing down to .451.
all said and done it is one fun sidekick
but now I got to have a .500 Linebaugh or .475 Linebaugh 4 5/8 single action or even a .454 4 5/8 single action
(any of GARY REEDER CUSTOM GUNS really!)
love the big stuff and wester single action guns
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