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Offline quickdtoo

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2007, 10:09:44 AM »
You can slug the bore to determine the rifling depth and condition at the muzzle and just ahead of the throat, you'll need an accurate measuring device tho, a caliper or micrometer.

Tim

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSlug.htm

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2007, 10:26:14 AM »
While I was typing this Tim posted. His is a better method than I suggested. but you can read for entertainment.

It takes a lot of shooting to wear out a 22 Hornet barrel, but it is possible. If your predecessor did not use a bore guide he could have worn the rifling out in the throat area, or if he cleaned it from the muzzle end he could have worn the rifling from the crown, in. Again make sure you have the barrel thoroughly clean. Then look in the breech end. Each land should be well defined with a sharp slope where it begins on each one. The muzzle end should have well defined lands all the way to the end. You may look for excessive pitting caused from a neglected bore.
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2007, 10:28:46 AM »
You can buy some chamber cast and cast the chamber and part of the throat to measure too.
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2007, 10:41:29 AM »
LaOtto, I suspected you'd offer an alternative to bore slugging since Johnny may not have a measuring device, thx. ;)

Johnny, the chamber casting material is called Cerrosafe, one source is Track of the Wolf which ships internationally, it's also available from Midway.

Tim

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(3jrjmn453o3iql4533pify55))/CATEGORIES/PARTDETAIL.ASPX?CATID=2&SUBID=204&STYLEID=1074&PARTNUM=CERROSAFE


http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/General/DisplayPDF.aspx?f=Inst-446.pdf


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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2007, 06:18:08 AM »

Today I was about to the range but when I wake up this morning, everything was just white..



That was just my bad luck, this meaning the range was closed today and I don't get a chance to use it for another 14 days.

Its not so common with snow in the south of Sweden this early in the winter and I had calculated with another month or so (2 more chances to visit the range) before they close until Mars, due to the winter (frozen ground).

Nothing to report this week in other words...
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2007, 06:24:04 AM »
Be patient, you'll make that range trip sooner or later!! I have issues making range trips too, but not due to weather, but congestion at the range, too many shooters, it may be until March before I make another trip! :(

Tim
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2007, 08:16:23 AM »

Meanwhile I have another cute little toy to use in my own basement, regardless of weather - at 33 feet...

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2007, 08:23:28 AM »
I've got a few airguns too, they're great for backyard practice as well as in the basement. ;D

Tim
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2007, 09:21:03 AM »

Basically I'm an airgun nut from the beginning, just like most other shooters in Europe where firearms are restricted I began my career with guns using an air rifle. Most shooters evolve further and further away from these humble rifles in pursuit of power going from rimfires towards big bore centerfires but I kind of stuck with the airguns and started the Swedish Airgunners Forum a few years ago (www.airgun.se).

At present time I have three airguns, beside the HW-25 above I also have two airguns on FAC (FireArms Certificate, a gun permit - required for guns with more then 8.00 ft/lbs ME).

The first one is my hunter, a BSA Ultra - used for pest control out to about 40 yards from were my 1022 takes over.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h194/airgunse/Superultra1.jpg

(Large pic and the bipod is not mounted, just for taking the pic)

This rifle launches a 21 gn .22 pellet at 620 fps for about 18 ft/lbs ME, just perfect for dispatching suburban pest birds like feral pigeons, magpies, crows, jackdaws and jays.

The second one is my Field Target Rifle, this one propels a 10.20 gn 177 pellet into rimfire velocities at 1050 fps for around 22 ft/lbs. I use this rifle for competition and for target shooting out to 60-80 yards, during ideal condition it will make 1/2 inch five shoot groups at 75 yards.

Its a custom made FX Airguns Typhoon.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h194/airgunse/IMG_3070.jpg

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2007, 09:30:30 AM »
Nice!! I don't have anything like that, an RWS 46 Stutzen is the nicest one, also have a Crosman 311 and Sheridan Bluestreak 5mm which I've had for 35yrs or 40yrs, biggest thing to meet their maker from any of them are possums and feral cats.

Tim



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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2007, 09:45:51 AM »
I can't stand to go to this site:

http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/

Not without putting a sheet of plastic over the key board to protect it from drool, anyhow.
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2008, 02:11:35 AM »

Update, not much have happen during the winter, the range is closed due to frost and am thinking about changing my 22 Hornet Handi into a lever gun of some sort..

I just have to make up my mind about it..



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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2008, 05:46:43 AM »
Bullet choice - I have several Handi Hornets with both light and hb's - they all like lighter grain bullets better. I use 35 or 40 grain Vmax's and they shoot very accurately for me. The N110 powder should work fine - as well as R123 if you can get it easier. The factory 46 grain bullets will do under an inch but I like the velocity of the lighter weight bullets. Heavier than 50 and accuracy falls off  in my rifles.
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2008, 06:29:41 AM »

Update...

Now I have taken my Handi to a Gunsmith and he is looking at it now, at the first looks it seem like the barrel is tight in the beginning and becoming more and more loose towards the muzzle. The crown did also look worn, possible due to bad cleaning using a rod. The barrel will be cut at 18 inch at a spot were it seem to be as tight as possible. He will also re-crown the barrel for optimal accuracy.

It will be interesting to see what turns out of this...

The rifle will be back in mid-late February ...
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2008, 07:10:13 AM »
Thanks for the update, we'll be looking forward to a range report. ;)

Tim
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2008, 10:49:10 PM »

Final update...

The rifle still didn't shoot well enough to be used for hunting, about 6-8 inch at 100 yards with best ammo, the gunsmiths verdict was to scrap it and so I did...

Not worth the effort to repair further, a new barrel (here) is worth more then the rifle itself and more expensive then a complete new rifle...

 :(

Anyway...

With a free slot for acenter fire rifle on my FAC I got myself a lever action instead..







Its a 1997 Winchester 94AE in 44 Mag.. ;)
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2008, 12:37:22 AM »
Johnny

Sorry to hear about the Hornet , I had a 450 Marlin barrel that was the same way , no matter what i put in it the thing would just not shoot like it should . You are defiantly at a disadvantage not having access to the factory for replacement of the barrel .

As for the 44 mag , you made a good choice with that one , I hope its a shooter .  ;)

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2008, 01:16:39 AM »

I have really started to like the 44 Mag, much more powerful then the 22 Hornet...

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2008, 04:59:19 AM »
That's a shame Johnny, but ya got a fine looking M94 44mag there!! ;)

Tim
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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2008, 05:29:02 AM »

Thanks Tim...

I really enjoyed all feedback I got at this great forum.

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Re: Bad accuracy in a 22 Hornet H&R
« Reply #80 on: April 30, 2008, 08:53:47 AM »
Go with the faster powder.  My contender in .22 Hornet shoots exceptional with a load of 3N37.  3N38 will also work.  I use WSR primers, but some of the guys I shoot with have luck with the WSP primers also.  I have factory jacketed loads, 22RF jacket loads, and cast bullet loads that all shoot under an inch at 100yds with my scoped 10" barrel.  When I first got this barrel and tried some other powders, I was lucky to keep a group on paper at 25 yards.  55 grain bullets tumbled.  I now shoot 50 grain bullets or less and the VV pistol powders.

Good luck,

Steve :)
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