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John Inglis - Browning 9mm Hi Power
« on: October 08, 2007, 04:59:19 PM »
I have a John Inglis Browning 9mm Hi Power made in Canada.
There seems to be no import markings on this pistol when I purchased it a few years ago.
I wonder how it got out of the country into the USA? -g   ???
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Re: John Inglis - Browning 9mm Hi Power
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 06:07:40 PM »
Surplus guns were not required to have importer's marks until 1986.  Yours may have been imported before that.

The surplus Inglis High Powers I've examined were marked on the frame under the recoil spring housing, on the trigger guard, or under the slide stop.  Sometimes the stampings were very light, and the pistol may have been refinished.
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Re: John Inglis - Browning 9mm Hi Power
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2007, 11:53:38 AM »
Thanks John. I'll look again. I stripped off the flat black paint (that the Brit's were famous for spraying over there firearms for protection from the elements) and found no markings. Maybe you are correct about the 1986 date. I could have purchased before that and will need to look at my bill of sale. The barrel is pretty well worn and not accurate at all. I wonder if anyone still makes or barrels are interchangeable between Hi Power models? Thanks again -gary
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Re: John Inglis - Browning 9mm Hi Power
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2007, 03:21:44 PM »
My duty pistol for many years was an Inglis Hi-Power.  They were reverse engineered from an original Browning supplied by a Chinese Officer to Inglis.  Inglis was a manufacturer of washing machines, but made BREN guns and Hi- Powers during WWII.  The parts cannot be guaranteed to be interchangeable.  You might want to try FN or FEG parts to see if they work.

My son has a Waffenamt marked FN and I have an Inglis.  Maybe I'll get them together & see if parts interchange?

There are two models of the INGLIS, with different serial number prefixes;

The Chinese model has a ser# beginning with "CH"  It has a slot for a holster stock, and a 500 metre ladder backsight.  Holsters were also supplied.  The shoulder stock was fully carved and the pistol fit into the stock through a hinged butt plate.

The commonwealth model had a "T" serial number, no slot, and the back sight was a fixed type milled onto the slide.  First purchased for the Commandos when the Chinese cancelled the balance of their order, it was later adopted by Canada.  In Canadian service, there were occasional mixes of T and CH components.

If yours is a CH, and in poor shape it was likely imported into the US in the 80's as a surplus police issue from China.

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Re: John Inglis - Browning 9mm Hi Power
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 07:23:50 PM »
I not sure about the serial#'s starting with CH for China or T for commonwealth? My serial starts with a K. The two models that the John Ingless company of Toranto made were British and Canadian forces used fixed site version, while the tangent-sighted version was preferred by the Chinese.
The French wanting a better pistol after WWI approached Fabrique Nationale (FN)  in Belgium for such a weapon. FN experimented with the double-column magazine and turned further design to John Browning. He came up with two designs. All of the rights to Brownings designs in North America were owned by Colt.  Browning offered them to Colt, but they were not intrested. FN, however , was very interested.  The 1922 FN Browning was born. Browning soon after finishing the initial development work, making the Hi-Power the last pistol he worked on. The first French trails required modifications that Dieudonne Saive of FN took over and the development of the model 1923. Since Colt's patent on the 1911 design ran out in 1928, Saive used some of it features in the model 1929 and soon the 1935. Defence orders before WWII went to China, Peru, Estonia, Lithuania, Sweden, Finland and France.  In 1940, the Nazis invaided Belguim and managment of FN passed to DWM. Saive and other FN engineers and executives fled to London to avoid being force to produce arms for the Nazis. The British government allowed Saive (with blueprints) to go to Canada to assist Ingless with the start up production. FN had produced frames machining a piece of drop forged steel, while the Ingless factory was set up to flame-cut mutipule frames from rolled steel using acetylene pantograph. FN engineers found this method hard to accept, but it proved quite effective and speeded production substantially. Ingless produced (Once in full production) pistols at a steady rate from February, 1944 through September, 1945. 151,816 Ingless Hi-Powers were made. About 50,000 were made with tangent sights.
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