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How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« on: September 26, 2007, 10:31:35 PM »
What sort of maintenance or cleaning do you do to your rifles?

I don't break my rifles down, but am thinking I should.  I have Remington oil and rub the metal down to keep it clean and to keep it from rusting.  I'll also pull a piece of a cloth cotton rag with a string down the barrel.  I pull it from the chamber out the tip of the barrel. ;-)

I may occasionally take a Q-tip or rag and wipe down the inside of the chamber as well.  No one taught me to maintenance my guns except for what I said above, but feel there is more.

What do you use to clean the wood on the butt and forearms? 

Your techniques, advice, etc, are appreciated.

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 12:14:41 PM »
For me how far I break a rifle down might depend on what kind it is/how complicated.  Bolt actions I will take the bolt apart to get at the firing pin and give that a good cleaning maybe once a year or two.  I'll take off the stock and clean and lube all metal surfaces and maybe lightly oil the wood depending on what kind of finish is on it.  Some lever actions are pretty complicated, at least for me, and some are not so bad (Marlins are easier for me) .  So if I have a 92 Winchester type that for me is a real pain, I'll use toothbrushes of all different sizes and little brushes to get in places that are hard to get at,  take off the wood and get at what I can, even take apart the magazine tube and clean that maybe once a year if I use it a lot.  The barrels on all my rifles are attended too about the same, clean them after I shoot them most times.   I don't take them down too far only once a year or so, most times just clean what i can get at with little brushes with different size handles to get at the nooks and crannies.  I do worry about the metal under the stock and that's why I take stocks off once in a while, specially if I was in the rain or something.  You need real good screw drivers by the way, and some punches and things if you want to take things a part.

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 12:23:00 PM »
I'm big on minimal cleaning.  My smokeless powder guns get a light cleaning once a year right after hunting season.  My muzzleloaders are cleaned after each range trip or whenever they are shot.
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 06:43:30 PM »
Ok, excellent.  I was just wanting to get a feel for how other people clean/maintenance their guns too.  My father only oiled his guns, cleaned the bore and sometimes cleaned the chamber area but that was about it.  Once my 12ga was getting slow in the slide action part and took it apart, for the first time ever, and discovered gunk, grime, dirt and God knows what else under the forearm stock and behind the places the sun don't shine.  LOL!  I gave it a good cleaning and slide quickened up considerably again. 

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2007, 06:18:35 AM »
I like to wet the bore with Shooters Choice or Hoppes.  Brush with a bronze brush, and patch dry until a clean patch.  I will oil with either Gunslick ultra lube or Outers gun oil.  A couple of new things I have found over the years are the carbon fiber ramrods from Tipton, and the foaming bore cleaner from Gunslick for when things really are grungy.  Thse help to get a nasty job done.  Wipe the whole thing down with an oiled flannel cloth.

The wood gets a mild cleaning with a damp rag, and a good coat of furniture wax.  Old Engish scratch cover takes out the dings and scratchs from the last hunting trip.

IMHO, a good cleaning regimen is imperative to preserving the investment of your rifle or shotgun.  Putting one away dirty promotes rust and corrosion.  For me, that is unthinkable.
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2007, 08:18:25 AM »
 I clean after each time I use/shoot them. If the weather was nice I may just run a lightly oiled patch down the bore & give the rest a wipe with an oiled cloth. After a season when I was out in serious rain or snow I take the action off the stock & make sure everything gets cleaned & lightly oiled. With guns I have that have not been used I give them a wipedown at least once a year.

 I was doing some light gun work for a relative recently. I took the action off the stock & noticed a fair amount of moisture evidence around the trigger area. He said that was probably from hunting in the rain almost a year ago. No he had not taken it off to dry & oil it. I put a new trigger in it anyway but it was in for some future problems with the condition it was in.

 When on an extended hunting trip I usually have a few cleaning essentials packed away.
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 12:03:21 PM »
I try to shoot my rifles year around and after each use, I give them a "once over" depending on if they are a hunting rifle or a target rifle.  Hunting rifle: Some Hoppes down the bore, a bronze brushing, patch 'til it's dry and a oil patch followed by two dry patches.  Wipe down the outside with an oil rag. (oil rag is kept in a sealed baggy and a tbsp of gun oil, is put on it after each use before putting it up unless is seems to be getting too oily).
Right before hunting season, I give each hunting rifle a deep cleaning: I go after the copper fouling, I spray brake cleaner into the trigger assembly and into the lug recesses in the action.  I play hide and seek with Q tips and such.  I coat the barrel channel and any hidden wood surfaces with a coat of Johnsons paste wax and run a oil rag over all the metal surfaces.  I oil the bore as above, check the mounting screws on the scope and put it back together.  Then I verify zero and don't touch the rifle until after hunting season.  I may run an oil rag over the outside to cut some dust but I don't touch the bore.  If I get caught in a rain storm or fall in a cattle tank, I'll protect the scope lenses and spray the entire rifle down with WD-40, lock, stock, and barrel.  I'll use the little nipple thingy to get into the trigger assembly and into the creavesses in the lug lock ups.  I'll blast it down into the firing pin hole and so forth.  I let it stand muzzle down for a while and the wipe it down as best I can, pull a bore snake thru the bore a couple of times and go hunting.  I don't take the rifle apart.  There'll be time for that when I get home.
When I get home, I take the rifle down and give it a pretty good cleaning and then go back to my sloppy ways. 

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2007, 12:43:54 PM »
Just don't try to hunt with a clean or oily bore.  The rifle won't shoot even close to where it's supposed to.  That's why I clean after the hunting season.
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 01:02:00 PM »
Some rifles shoot Best with a clean bore, others with a fouled bore... you have to find out what YOURS likes.

I NEVER use WD-40 for Anything on ANY Firearm

How much and how often you clean Copper from your bore will depend on the rifle, once it's "Broke In" you should not "Need" to clean copper till accuracy dictates it.

Any time the gun is not going to be used for any period of time, I clean the bore with Hoppes # 9 then with Breakfree CLP, I leave a small amount of CLP in the bore, and remove with a dry patch prior to using the gun.

Any time the gun gas seen Heavy Use, or has been in inclimate weather, I do a Complete cleaning... Removed from stock and CLEAN

Never use OIL on a Trigger mechanism (98% of guns) your Begging for problems, including an accumulation of trash and debris that can render it Very Unsafe ! Instead use CHEAP Lighter Fluid for Zippo Lighters, they will clean it and leave a Very Tiny amount of lubricant. (the expensive brands are Dry)

The Best product I have used for Rust prevention and general cleaning is the Breakfree CLP, but I have been told of a product called Ezox that I plan to try this year.  For Copper I use Sweets 7.62.

Some people don't care for Bore Snakes, but in the field I have found they are Awesome ! You can quickly ensure the bore is clear of Mud / Snow etc after a fall, remove most broken cases by running it through backwards, and can Oil a bore after it's been Wet... a Must Have in my bag !

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2007, 01:06:23 PM »
If I'm going to take the rifle\gun hunting, the bore is already "pre-fouled".

Outside of that, my cleaning regime is to clean with Butch's Bore Shine,(bore and outside of gun) followed by swabbing the bore and the entire gun with CLP, then removing the excess wtih a dry patch. If it's my 1911's they will then be followed up by a light oil on the slide, hammer and barrel lock up and bushing.

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2007, 04:01:16 AM »
i don't clean the bore during hunting season. i oil the outside and if it had rained i will oil the whole gun after that ill take it back and foul the barrel again. i use breakfree clp most of the time or i used remington bore bright and rem oil.  ill use some type of grease on the bolt and the action. try a scent free chap stick too. i have found that that in scent free is mild enough for the bolt
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2007, 06:59:38 PM »
In my opinion - Rem Oil is junk!

If all you were going to do was transport your firearm to and from the range - and keep it in the house the rest of the time.  Rem Oil might work ok for you.

But I spend hours in the field in all sorts of conditions and my guns do not see any pampering or bore snakes.  Them things are for girls and whimps.

Smokeless powder does not corrode the barrel - bore like in the old days with the corossive primers.

So as long as you clean your guns before you put them away for the year - all that you ever need to do is run 1 dry patch through the barrel, followed by a bronze brush with some bore cleaner and then a couple more dry patches until they come out clean.  That's it!

As far as removing the copper foul out of the barrel - my dad would say "how stupid are you?"

That copper foul never builds up and it actually protects the barrel.  Copper does not rust - it only tarnishes.  Which means that if you leave it in the barrel - it will actually protect the barrel from corrosion.  If you take it out - then you run the risk of rust in the barrel - which will remove material from the lands and grooves when you clean the rust out of the barrel.  Which will decrease the barrel life significantly.

The only time you have to worry about copper fouling is if you switch between pure lead bullets and copper jacketed bullets.  When you shoot the lead bullets, you leave traces of lead in the barrel.  Then when you switch to copper jacket bullets - which usually always has a higher velocity than the pure lead bullets - you end up fouling the barrel and the gilding that takes place will build up until you create high chamber pressures that will sooner or later bulge or blow up the barrel.

One of the very best lubricants is a product called LPS.

If you check the product line for LPS - Liquid Penetrant Spray - you will find out that it exceeds Military Specifications.  If you put LPS - 2 on the outside of your firearms - it will protect it from rusting for up to 2 years with just one application.  As long as you don't clean it or handle it - it will still be there two years from now.

There is also a LPS for "Long Term Storage" that is like Cosmoline.  It is a light grease that you apply and you have to remove it when you want to put it back in service.  But I will guarantee you that it will still be in like new condition - 5 years from now - even if you put it in long term storage.

When the company that I worked for that made Powder Metal Presses for countries like China and Taiwan - they used LPS on everything metal.  Some of their machinery sat on loading docks for a month before they loaded it on a ship to send it over seas and none of them ever experienced any problems with rust!

As far as taking a bolt - from a bolt action rifle apart and cleaning it.  You will actually do more damage than good doing that.

All the more lubrication that a Bolt needs is a drop or two of Kerosene to keep it clean and lubricated.

Unless you were in the military and your life depended on your gun being clean, and you were fighting in a war someplace like Korea or Vietnam, there would be no reason to take a bolt - apart for cleaning - more than once every 10 years.

The only thing that could get inside your bolt is a little powder residue - if your firearm had a problem with blow back.  Most other rifle bolts are made in such a way that they do not need a frequent cleaning.

The spring in the bolt is under tension and when you release that tension - you take a chance that the spring will loose some of it's tension and will weaken in time until it will fail.

The old Model 70 Winchesters were famous for that!

By comparison -I have a Savage Bolt Action Rifle that was made in 1936 and the bolt has never been apart / cleaned / or anything and it still shoots and works like new!

That rifle had 5000 rounds of steel jackets and tracers shot through it and the barrel shows absolutely no wear, pitting or rust!  Corossive primers and all!

I would have to agree 100% with everyone that said that a dirty bore is more accurate than a clean bore.  First off because when you hunt, you are not going to have the luxury of being able to clean your rifle after every shot.  Your rifle will not hit in the same place with a dirty bore as it will with a clean bore.  And because if you looked at your rifle bore through a microscope =- you would be able to see the marks that a cutting tool left when it removed material to make the rifle ling in the barrel.

The foul - carbon in the barrel will smooth out the nicks and gouges left in the barrel and will actually increase accuracy.

The only guns that benefits from a clean bore is a small bore rifle like a .222 / 223, because there is less room in the barrel for the rifling and the bullet.  So the more foul in the barrel - the more the barrel is constricted.

As a comparison, the rifleing in a .17 Hornady Rimfire Magnum is only .002 deep!

That's less than the thickness of a human hair!

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2007, 12:34:05 AM »
Excellent post!  Excessive cleaning ruins a lot of guns.
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2007, 02:56:30 AM »
i haven't seen that cleaning ruins your guns. the only guns that i would take the bolt apart would be a bolt action muzzle loader. as far as rem oil i have used it on all my guns and had no probelms what so ever. i have used it since it came out. i can't see where it dosen't help but after clean it i take 1 fouling shot. and then its ready to go. see i pamper my guns because i want them to last. i take my guns in every conditions. shoot one of them my first gun my semi auto .22 marlin fell in 8 feet if murky muddy water and it stayed there for one day untill i could get it out. took it home and cleaned it with rem oil and bore bright and i still put it through pure heck. rem oil is better than you think. and breakfree is very good also. if you don't take care if your guns they won't last 10 years just something to think about  ;)
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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2007, 06:23:15 AM »
I certainly wouldn't take that cavalier approach to cleaning or maintaining my rifles. At home or in the field.  Murphy's law dictates that when you find out that you are very wrong, it will be at the most embarrassing possible moment.  Perhaps even lethal. 
One point I will add, if you don't plan on using a bore guide when you are doing your serious cleaning, THEN your cleaning regimen may do more harm than good.

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Re: How Do You Clean/Care For Your Rifles?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2007, 11:58:00 PM »
Hi All,

       Hmmm just what I needed a lift to my morning. The thread has given me a good laugh.


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As far as removing the copper foul out of the barrel - my dad would say "how stupid are you?"

That copper foul never builds up and it actually protects the barrel.  Copper does not rust - it only tarnishes.  Which means that if you leave it in the barrel - it will actually protect the barrel from corrosion.  If you take it out - then you run the risk of rust in the barrel - which will remove material from the lands and grooves when you clean the rust out of the barrel.  Which will decrease the barrel life significantly.

The only time you have to worry about copper fouling is if you switch between pure lead bullets and copper jacketed bullets.  When you shoot the lead bullets, you leave traces of lead in the barrel.  Then when you switch to copper jacket bullets - which usually always has a higher velocity than the pure lead bullets - you end up fouling the barrel and the gilding that takes place will build up until you create high chamber pressures that will sooner or later bulge or blow up the barrel.

     Whilst copper fouling does not rust in itself it can and does trap moisture under it and although the barrel looks fine just slightly fouled you can be in for a serious shock when you eventually remove the copper as you will often find fine pitting to the barrel steel under it.

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As far as taking a bolt - from a bolt action rifle apart and cleaning it.  You will actually do more damage than good doing that.

All the more lubrication that a Bolt needs is a drop or two of Kerosene to keep it clean and lubricated.

Unless you were in the military and your life depended on your gun being clean, and you were fighting in a war someplace like Korea or Vietnam, there would be no reason to take a bolt - apart for cleaning - more than once every 10 years.

The only thing that could get inside your bolt is a little powder residue - if your firearm had a problem with blow back.  Most other rifle bolts are made in such a way that they do not need a frequent cleaning.

The spring in the bolt is under tension and when you release that tension - you take a chance that the spring will loose some of it's tension and will weaken in time until it will fail.

The old Model 70 Winchesters were famous for that!

    If this statement was in fact true then just firing the gun would break the spring as by firing it you are releasing the tesnsion in the spring! I have stripped a few bolts over the years. A Swedish Mauser to fit a new firing pin properly as hte gunsmith who fitted the replcanement didn't fit the nut properly ..............Grrr. Pin was broken by an overpressure factory PMC cartridge. A Lee Enfield sporter as I fitted a new cocking piece and sear. My BRNO 601 after it and I got drenched on a hunting trip, the P-H 1100M as it was crudded up when I got it and finally the BSA Majestic featherweight as it too needed cleaning after 46 years of use.

    I do not make it a habit to strip bolts but sometimes it's required. I have never had a firing pin break and some of my bolt action rifles are well over 100 years old!


   For cleaning I use Parker-Hale 009 Nitro Solvent for normal cleaning or Forrest Foaming Bore cleaner if I have some in stock (Hmm must remember to get some more!) for copper removal I use Hoppes 009. I used to use P-H bronze brushes but since that p[art was taken over by John Rothery their quality is rubbsih so I use Bench rest brushes and an adaptor to fit my P-H rods with wrap round P-H jags and either Napier Rifle Clean or British Military flannelette for patches. Oil I use Parker-Hale Express oil and for longer term storage the bore gets cleaned then swabbed out with several dry patches then a coating of "Youngs 303" is applied and left in the bore. This can also be applied to the outside metal and is what BSA used to preserve their rifles for shipping and storage.    When hunting I check zero then do not clean until after the hunt then clean the rifle however unless we got drenched I do not remove the stock.

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lent post!  Excessive cleaning ruins a lot of guns.


     Improper cleaning or the improper use of cleaning equipment can ruin guns, Yes and I suppose excessive cleaning can cause wear however more guns are ruined through neglect than anything else..