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not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« on: August 24, 2007, 03:47:45 PM »
I took out the rifle with some handloads and some factory loads this a couple of days ago and was getting some pretty good results with my 710 in 30-06.

Was shooting at 150 yards, and getting some good sub-moa groups.  With Federal factory 180 grain JFP, I was getting over an inch, and also with my 180 grain ballistic silvertips over 58.8 grains of reloader 22 I was getting about 1" groups. 

While trying to shoot well, the trigger pull kinda erks me, but I can't take away from it shooting straight, does the job right.

Did load some 170 grain FP interlocks on a max load of reloader 22 that was all over the board though. 

Has some 220 grainers that were shooting really well also... and strangely.... shot higher than the 180 grainers??

And once again proved to myself that the 55 grain accelerators are horrible accuracy.  5-7" groups.  But...  they were breaking 4000fps.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 05:40:08 PM »
is it worth the money? i was wanting to experiment with some cheap guns just to have a little fun. and push them to there limits.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 06:17:33 PM »
is it worth the money? i was wanting to experiment with some cheap guns just to have a little fun. and push them to there limits.

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2007, 07:02:45 PM »
IMO they look and feel like crap but they are good shooters.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 09:28:27 PM »
On any of the new cheap tupperware package guns, from the ones I've shot, I would say let the trigger pull decide for you.  They are all made of plastic, and aren't going to get any style points, and they all shoot straight. 
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2007, 03:58:29 AM »
I was at Wally World the other nite and they had the 710s marked WAAAAY down in price. They're closing them out for Rem's newest replacement. If had the money rigt now I'd buy one. Yeah the triggers ain't the best but they do shoot well.

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2007, 05:17:04 AM »
cool. i might buy one, i don't like the stock and i would try to make me a wooden stock for it.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2007, 03:47:32 PM »
I don't care for their looks, but they seem to be accurate. I went with the Stevens 200 and Mossberg ATR. Just picked up a Remington 788 6mm.............

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 05:08:59 AM »
yeah it looks ok but it would look good with a blackwalnut stock. a friend of mine cut down a tree and gave me 2 blanks. i am not sure it i am going to make it for that gun or wait till i get the t/c icon and see what the wood on its like. if its anything like the pic ill leave it. i might do my toz66 shotgun though
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 07:05:22 AM »
Your 220 grain bullet probably shot higher because is has a longer bearing surface than a pointed bullet, and experienced increased pressure.  I once experienced the same thing when I loaded some 150 round nose 30/30 bullets in a 30-06 and shot them with the same powder load as 150 gr pointed bullets.  I think the round nose bullets have more surface contact with the barrel and pressure is increased (thus velocity is increased).

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2007, 07:12:46 AM »
They can shoot, no doubt to that. I get a warm feeling when I can obtain a very accurate cheap gun.  I'm glad you found one.  If that is what you like, I wouldn't let my bashing of Remington or others keep you from using it.  More power to you on that one.  I hope you bag some good game with it, sounds like you have already done you homework. I have found my itch in the old millitary surplus stuff for the last two years and have not bought anything new.  The main reason I won't own a 710 is the fact that Remington dumped them so quickly after only a few years of production. It has nothing to do with the accuracy or quality. That is my biggest gripe with Remington.  Why not perfect the 710 like they did the 700?  Give it a bolt/screw for the barrel, fix the trigger/safety system along with the mag, and you would have a great gun.  Why not just take the 700 and give it a cheaper finish like they did the 870 express? What happens after the warranty runs out is anyone's guess with parts.  I hope you have nothing but the greatest of luck with it and never have to find out.

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2007, 07:29:43 AM »
well the 770 is the 710 basically. thats what i am going to get. i have my model 700 with leupold scope that i love. and i have my t/c stainless thumbhole with nikon buckmasters that i love. i have many other guns that are proven. i have bought some cheap guns just to see how accurate i can make them. i like to see if i can out shoot guns i have spent $800+ on. its werid. i would just have this as a backup gun for people that hunt with me. you couldn't take my t/c away from me though. i still haven't said i wouldn't buy the stevens or mossburg.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2007, 01:33:44 PM »
 Why not just take the 700 and give it a cheaper finish like they did the 870 express?

That would be the Sportsman 78 model of the mid 1980's.  A mod 700 with a plain hardwood stock.  Reminiscent of the Mod 788. 

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2007, 02:44:26 PM »
Don't remember that one...Why did they quit making it?  Looks like it would be cheaper to perfect a model than to keep introducing different models then discontinuing them. 

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 10:37:31 AM »
It looks to me like they stopped making the 710 just because of the stock... just to make it prettier, and call it a different number (770) most likely because of people who didn't like the aesthetics.  I haven't seen one up close, but from looking at the 770, the action and barrel looks exactly the same as I have on my 710, not a one different curve or anything, just the stock seems to be dressed up a little bit.  Still the same gun with the same purpose, this move on remingtons part just has to do with marketing it seems.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2007, 01:49:55 PM »
i have heard mixed reviews on it so i decided to test it  on my own
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2007, 01:06:57 AM »
Don't remember that one...Why did they quit making it?  Looks like it would be cheaper to perfect a model than to keep introducing different models then discontinuing them. 

I've not heard or read any reason why the Sportsman 78 was discontinued.  Must have been a good corporate reason, though.  It seems like it would have been easier to continue production of an inexpensive Mod 700 than to invest in a new design like the Mod 710 a few years after. 

The 78 was manufactured from 1985-89 in .223; .243; .270; .30-06 & .308.  I occasionally see them in gun shops.  They bring as much, and sometimes more, than used ADL's.

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2007, 04:01:04 AM »
It looks to me like they stopped making the 710 just because of the stock... just to make it prettier, and call it a different number (770) most likely because of people who didn't like the aesthetics.  I haven't seen one up close, but from looking at the 770, the action and barrel looks exactly the same as I have on my 710, not a one different curve or anything, just the stock seems to be dressed up a little bit.  Still the same gun with the same purpose, this move on remingtons part just has to do with marketing it seems.

It has to do with more than the stock, I think.  The 710’s press-fit barrel doesn’t sit well with a lot of folks – it is certainly a disqualifier in my case when there are so many other options available (Stevens, Savage, used, etc.)  The 710 got a lot of faint praise and the stock didn’t help any.  In my opinion it’s the old switcheroo – change it a bit (new stock, 60 degree bolt, improved magazine latch), give it a new name and a nondescript scope and hope like hell you can fool the general public.  Smoke and mirrors.  They may fool some but in the end its still a cheaply constructed rifle with scope mounts on the receiver and a press-fit barrel.

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2007, 10:23:40 AM »
yeah well its like the savage they made the trigger look good by making it a 2 stage. they didn't immprove on it. all gun companys do it. so what the barrels maybe press fit but the savage have screw on barrels that dosne't sit well with me thinking that the barrel is screwed in. all guns have there flaws at least its accurate and by the way the scope is still a busnell banner or trophy. it says bushnell. i would rather have my basses on my gun built in. so what i am still buying it its a accurate gun who cares if it looks good. i don't think the deer does. yeah i have good guns but if i can make that chaep gun shoot well then i get a feeling of accomplishment.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2007, 03:49:29 PM »
They are accurate enough and affordable enough for new hunters to get in the game,i dont want one but they are certainly good enough for most hunters.I watched my partner kill several deer with his last year,the deer didnt seem to car e how ugly it was.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2007, 06:52:09 PM »
yeah well its like the savage they made the trigger look good by making it a 2 stage. they didn't immprove on it. all gun companys do it. so what the barrels maybe press fit but the savage have screw on barrels that dosne't sit well with me thinking that the barrel is screwed in. all guns have there flaws at least its accurate and by the way the scope is still a busnell banner or trophy. it says bushnell. i would rather have my basses on my gun built in. so what i am still buying it its a accurate gun who cares if it looks good. i don't think the deer does. yeah i have good guns but if i can make that chaep gun shoot well then i get a feeling of accomplishment.

T/CEncore1 –

The Savage Accutrigger is a pretty decent trigger in my estimation, and a very good trigger for inexpensive factory rifles.  I know quite a few folks who would agree.  But personal taste is what it is – you don’t like it and that’s OK.

Most bolt-action hunting rifles have screw-in barrels – it’s a time tested construction technique used on Mausers, M70’s M700’s, M77’s, A-Bolts, and rifles from Weatherby, Sako, Tikka, Kimber, Howa and others.  What makes the Savage somewhat unique is the barrel nut.  The barrel nut serves several functions including locking the barrel into place, retaining the recoil lug, and making it very easy to set head space (which reduces manufacturing costs).  No negatives other than some folks find them aesthetically challenged.  One nice feature about screw-in barrels is they are easily replaced.

Rifles with press-fit barrels are not necessarily less accurate per se, so yes, they can shoot well.  Manufacturers choose press-fit barrels to cut manufacturing costs, but good luck swapping the barrel out when the time comes.  With the Savage and Stevens you can swap the barrel with a barrel nut wrench and a go/no-go headspace gage.

As to the scope, Remington doesn’t say what the scope is.  They clearly show a Bushnell and it may or may not be identical to what you can buy separately.  In any case, its not a scope I would buy for a number of reasons.  Never been a fan of rifles with factory-mounted scopes for just that reason – why pay for a scope you don’t want? 

I’m not sure what you mean by having the bases “built in” on the M710/770 as it looks to me like they use standard scope bases.  If you want “built in” bases get a Ruger or a Sako or a Tikka.

Help yourself to a 710 or 770 if that’s what you want.  My last two rifle purchases were a Ruger M77 and a Remington M700 BDL, both for $350.  The 770 lists for $450.  Considering the alternatives, they are too expensive for my tastes even for a lot less.


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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2007, 08:57:59 AM »
But list is never going to cut it, especially for a rifle like that, remington isnt really going to fool people into thinking they are getting quality out of a gun like that, the people who buy it are looking for a cheap gun, thats it. 

Was at wally world the other day, saw the new 770 for $385.  I don't know if I would call the stock prettier, more dressed up maybe? 
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2007, 10:43:58 AM »
yes its accurate. my last purchases was a remington model 700 with leupold scope for $700 and then a t/c i found a good deal on it was $519 with nikon buckmasters scope and it was stainless steel with thumbhole stock. but ill probably not have that gun when the barrel wears out. i am not really worried about that. yes i am aware about the ruger with mounts bulit in since i own a all weather ruger 77. it may not be the best but i want to see how good i can make it. i want to see how accurate it is for myself. i could afford a more expencive gun and it be just as accurate this is just my latest hang up. the scope is a busnell its listed as one and i belive its a banner or sportsman.
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2007, 07:53:18 AM »
Yeah, the scopes are buschnell, but definitely nothing special.  So far it stays on center and is pretty clear, sealed well.  Working cheap scope, just like the rifle. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2007, 02:18:05 PM »
yeah its good for the value hunter. if i kept it i would replace the scope over time and look into making a stock
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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2007, 03:26:44 AM »
A discussion of the 710 would be a number two discussion not a number 1 - buy a Savage - they a fair priced and work - just my opinion.

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Re: not to start another 710 pissing contest....
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2007, 11:41:52 AM »
Sure the 710 stock was ugly, but it felt good in my hands(for a tupperware stock, I really prefer wood). Maybe I'm wierd.   Can't stand the 770 stock.  Someone on GBO, compared it to a cheap bb gun stock, and best I can tell from the feel, they're not far off.

It wasn't until I cycled the bolt a few times and played with the mag and noticed the finish(fell the same way about the Mossy)  that I decided I didn't care for the 710. 


Sure the Savage/Stevens bolt is sloppy bolt but it doesn't stick during the throw.

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