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Re: Killing a Big Foot
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2007, 02:50:30 PM »
Coming face to face with 2 grizzly bears over an elk carcass will have the same effect,but these animals are proven to exist and BF isnt,if you are going to share stories about encounters with one I would expect some skeptics to question the validity of your story.I would never say its impossible but I would also never become a believer over stories like the ones I read hear,I want to see physical evidence.I personally know a few people,one from Florida and one from MT who have BF stories,they are both full of s*** and have amazing stories to tell every time they get alone in the woods,I think its in some peoples nature to expolain what they dont understand with amazing tales of unknown creatures,the native americans have done it throughout their history,explaining things as simple the sun rising and setting with tales of mystical creatures who control it.

I do not blame you for thinking its BS.....I do not see how anyone could believe it without seeing one of these creatures...for that reason I have never told anyone about my encounter accept on the forums on the net....no one wants to be thought a fool...or called a liar I don't care what....but I know what I saw...it was only 15-20 feet directly in front of me...you cannot make a mistake that close!

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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2007, 02:56:56 PM »
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How many people have encountered a Grizzly bear in the wild and lived to tell of it?

How many folks are mauled/killed by them each year?

  I can't give you an "exact" count of how many run into them, but i'm sure the total runs in the thousands by now, probably even many many times more than that...  I know i have numerous times, and i've never been mauled, as very few people are mauled by grizzly/brown bears...

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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2007, 04:26:43 PM »
TEUFWALD. Thanks for the link, I remembered it now. About 2 years ago I was fishing at my pond, nice and peaceful there. I was sitting and relaxing when I heard a sound directly over my left shoulder that didn't sound like anything I ever heard, animal, or human. The hair stood up on the back of my neck as I turned slowly to see if I could see anything, I didn't. I grew up hunting and in the woods all my life. I've spent hundreds of hours in that woods the 25 years I've lived here. I've seen big cat tracks, but nothing I couldn't identify. Never did find out what made that sound, but the 22 pistol I was carrying never looked so small. A few months ago I heard the sound again after I was in bed, sounded like it was right outside the house, made me make sure my 45 was ready, never did find out what it was. I'm sure it's explainable, just don't know what it was. POWDERMAN.  :) :) :) :) :)
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2007, 04:58:36 PM »
i know around my parts we have no bears supposedly. but i disagree i was walking though the woods to go to my tree stand i and swear that i saw a black bear i backed away and went out to my truck still holding my t/c muzzleloader freaked out. i went to my local gun shop and told them about it nobody believed me but the store owner which had seen one himself. just didn't think a bear would be around kershaw. now i think about that when i go out. but if he would have been in season i would have took him. the strange thing is we have a season for them but we don't have any supposedly.
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2007, 05:34:12 PM »
TEUFWALD. Thanks for the link, I remembered it now. About 2 years ago I was fishing at my pond, nice and peaceful there. I was sitting and relaxing when I heard a sound directly over my left shoulder that didn't sound like anything I ever heard, animal, or human. The hair stood up on the back of my neck as I turned slowly to see if I could see anything, I didn't. I grew up hunting and in the woods all my life. I've spent hundreds of hours in that woods the 25 years I've lived here. I've seen big cat tracks, but nothing I couldn't identify. Never did find out what made that sound, but the 22 pistol I was carrying never looked so small. A few months ago I heard the sound again after I was in bed, sounded like it was right outside the house, made me make sure my 45 was ready, never did find out what it was. I'm sure it's explainable, just don't know what it was. POWDERMAN.  :) :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2007, 06:39:44 PM »
I have a similar "sound tale" to that powderman. I've written about it on here several times and asked if anyone might have a clue what it was.

I first heard it several years ago and have periodically heard it since. I think that first time was in the Bulter WMA here in Bama. I've heard it here in Calhoun County on some private land I hunted from about early to mid 80s thru a couple years ago. I heard it in Clay County near the Delta lakes. I've heard it in SE Georgia and I "think" I might have heard it at least once here at my home as you say just outside the window it seemed.

The sound I'm hearing is difficult to describe and impossible for me to mimic with my voice. It seems to my ears at least to have both cat like and bird like qualities to it. But is unlike any sound I'd ever heard prior to the Butler WMA hunt in all my years of roaming the woods of Bama. From that I pretty much have to conclude it's something that's moved in not something native to the south.

In the Butler WMA incident I saw a bobcat both mornings I was there and at first passed it off as maybe what was making the sound even tho it just didn't seem right to me. In GA it was within yards of me just on the other side of a thick patch of brush and I heard what to me sounded like birds or chipmunks scurrying around on the ground feeding. Maybe it was or maybe it was the critter making the sound I just dunno as it never came out to be seen.

At Delta one morning it was super cold. It had rained the night before and then a hard freeze came. The leaves sounded like corn flakes under foot and anything on the ground no matter how small sounded like an elephant. The critter was within 50 yards of me I am sure and other than large trees the ground was quite open with very little under brush. I SHOULD have been able to see anything much larger than a bug and I can assure you no cold blooded critter was out that morning. It either was there all along or came in without a sound and left the same way as I then later heard it off in the distance. I'd heard it in that general area several times before and since.

At times I think it a bird but the sound is pretty darn loud for most birds and if it were I should either see or hear it moving in and away in some of the places it has been really close to me.

I have absolutely no clue what it is.

Here at my house my youngest son and I both heard it and we both agree it sounded just outside our bedroom windows which are side by side at one end of the house. Looking out the windows from both bedrooms revealed nothing to be seen. This was late in the night. Most encounters are in early morning hunting stands. My son thought it a young puppy whining while I thought it sounded more cat like and actually seriously considered maybe a mountain lion was in the yard. The neighborhood dogs were quite active that night barking their heads off.


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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2007, 08:24:29 PM »
Man...that sounds really bizarre GB!
I was awakened one night by a gawd awful sound that made my flesh crawl...it was summer and I had the windows open....it was extremely loud..I went outside with a maglite....and my neighbor across the street who is a cop was out investigating the sound too....the sound was coming from a tall oak tree in his neighbors back yard...I can only describe the sound as sounding like those jungle birds in those old tarzan movies....we both are shining our flashlights up in the tree then it cuts loose again..and I followed the sound...I shined the light on a huge exotic bird of some variety that neither of us was familiar with.....we both went back in and went to bed...but I could not sleep because about every 5-10 minutes this exotic bird would let out one of his extremely loud blood curdling calls...craziest sound I ever heard....the next day a Chicano family was there trying to recover their escaped bird! ;D

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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2007, 08:41:58 PM »
sounds like a pea cok
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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2007, 03:31:30 AM »
Not a peacock, I've heard them. The sounds lasted just a few seconds, one in daylight evening, the other late at night. I know this sounds crazy, but do any of you remember the movie ghost with Patrick Swayze??? After he was dead he witnessed several folks die in a wreck, and again in the hospitol. The sound that the ghouls from hell made in that movie was almost exactly like the sounds that I heard. I don't believe we have any bigfoot characters here. Something that big and heavy would leave a track somewhere and I've never seen any other signs of one, so it's not that. I've seen several big cat tracks that look to be a good 3+ inches accross. I don't know what it was, but had the feeling that it was not friendly and had the power to kill me. Gotta go to work. POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2007, 04:26:24 AM »
I have a similar "sound tale" to that powderman. I've written about it on here several times and asked if anyone might have a clue what it was.

I first heard it several years ago and have periodically heard it since. I think that first time was in the Bulter WMA here in Bama. I've heard it here in Calhoun County on some private land I hunted from about early to mid 80s thru a couple years ago. I heard it in Clay County near the Delta lakes. I've heard it in SE Georgia and I "think" I might have heard it at least once here at my home as you say just outside the window it seemed.

The sound I'm hearing is difficult to describe and impossible for me to mimic with my voice. It seems to my ears at least to have both cat like and bird like qualities to it. But is unlike any sound I'd ever heard prior to the Butler WMA hunt in all my years of roaming the woods of Bama. From that I pretty much have to conclude it's something that's moved in not something native to the south.

In the Butler WMA incident I saw a bobcat both mornings I was there and at first passed it off as maybe what was making the sound even tho it just didn't seem right to me. In GA it was within yards of me just on the other side of a thick patch of brush and I heard what to me sounded like birds or chipmunks scurrying around on the ground feeding. Maybe it was or maybe it was the critter making the sound I just dunno as it never came out to be seen.

At Delta one morning it was super cold. It had rained the night before and then a hard freeze came. The leaves sounded like corn flakes under foot and anything on the ground no matter how small sounded like an elephant. The critter was within 50 yards of me I am sure and other than large trees the ground was quite open with very little under brush. I SHOULD have been able to see anything much larger than a bug and I can assure you no cold blooded critter was out that morning. It either was there all along or came in without a sound and left the same way as I then later heard it off in the distance. I'd heard it in that general area several times before and since.

At times I think it a bird but the sound is pretty darn loud for most birds and if it were I should either see or hear it moving in and away in some of the places it has been really close to me.

I have absolutely no clue what it is.

Here at my house my youngest son and I both heard it and we both agree it sounded just outside our bedroom windows which are side by side at one end of the house. Looking out the windows from both bedrooms revealed nothing to be seen. This was late in the night. Most encounters are in early morning hunting stands. My son thought it a young puppy whining while I thought it sounded more cat like and actually seriously considered maybe a mountain lion was in the yard. The neighborhood dogs were quite active that night barking their heads off.

What I/we've heard (on multiple occasions) is probably best described in starting out as a woodduck squeal that escalates into a peacock call and ends in the higher octave of a panther scream.
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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2007, 04:37:31 AM »
I've been around quite a few peacocks and am familiar with at least most of their sounds and that's definitely not what I'm hearing. What it is I have no clue but it's not a peacock. I'm just as sure it's NOT a bigfoot.

The sound in the yard that night actually was NOT one I wanted to investigate more closely than from inside. I'll never know what it was but the thought of it being a couger or perhaps even a rabid dog both came to mind and quite honestly I did not want to face either in the dark for no good reason other than to see what it was. I'm old and fat and don't have the best of movement or eye sight and I just saw no good reason to chance it  being either in the dark when waiting to morning was just as good and much safer. I'm not convinced that critter was the same as my mystery critter. It sounded a bit like it but then again not quite like it.

I've really never felt in any way threatened by the mystery critter but that night here at home I definitely did whether I should have or not I did feel going outside to see what it was would not have been a smart idea.


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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2007, 06:07:26 AM »
I've been around quite a few peacocks and am familiar with at least most of their sounds and that's definitely not what I'm hearing. What it is I have no clue but it's not a peacock. I'm just as sure it's NOT a bigfoot.

The sound in the yard that night actually was NOT one I wanted to investigate more closely than from inside. I'll never know what it was but the thought of it being a couger or perhaps even a rabid dog both came to mind and quite honestly I did not want to face either in the dark for no good reason other than to see what it was. I'm old and fat and don't have the best of movement or eye sight and I just saw no good reason to chance it  being either in the dark when waiting to morning was just as good and much safer. I'm not convinced that critter was the same as my mystery critter. It sounded a bit like it but then again not quite like it.

I've really never felt in any way threatened by the mystery critter but that night here at home I definitely did whether I should have or not I did feel going outside to see what it was would not have been a smart idea.

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« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2007, 06:44:55 AM »
don't blame ya for not running out to look !
when i first started hunting to many years ago , we heard dogs running , we were at the trucks getting ready to leave the area , We waited to see which way they were headed , as it happened they came our way !
as we listened it sounded like a fight broke out a 100 yards or so in the woods , it was over quickly but we kept hearing this strange sound , we went to see what it was and only found 2 large walkers , one split down the middle the other with a neck broken and cut ! one of my uncles got the collars and called the owner . The dogs were bear dogs , they were released 45-50 miles from where we found them , there were no bear tracks in the area where we found then ! there were some very large cat tracks but most were distrubed by the fight or us comming in !
I am, the same as ya'll i don't know how to describe the sound i heard  , but i won't forget it either ! the dogs owner said he thought it may have been a MT. lion , this happened in the late 1960's in VA. at that time some people said they were in VA. others said no ! this has been going on for years now , but lately alot of sightings are reported maybe you heard a big cat ?
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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2007, 07:52:26 AM »
They finally admitted that MI. has a Mt Lion population after a horse was kill by one in my county...and the game warden seen the Big cat for herself!

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« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2007, 07:56:45 AM »
a while back i was up in the mountains hiking and some freaking high pitched roaring sound like nothing i ever heard was walking up behind me and must have been about 40 yards back and it sounded big. so i walked on out wondering about it and the next day i went back to see if there was any tracks or if i heard it. now when i go over there to hunt i bring my 44 mag plus my gun i am hunting with. what ever it was i don't want to be around it anymore.
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« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2007, 11:18:11 AM »
I was referring to the large exotic bird in the tree,not the mysterious noises that you heard.
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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2007, 11:57:43 AM »
I was referring to the large exotic bird in the tree,not the mysterious noises that you heard.


I think it was a macaw?
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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2007, 05:01:47 PM »
All this discussion about a legendary creature and no one yet has come forward with a true picture of it. All this talk is nothing but folklore.

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« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2007, 05:13:13 PM »
so..?? who cares. its just talk. that's what were here for, correct me if i am wrong.
All this discussion about a legendary creature and no one yet has come forward with a true picture of it. All this talk is nothing but folklore.
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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2007, 06:27:10 PM »
I think we have worn out this one on big foot. Lets move on to something more credible like the Loch Ness Monster or the Louisiana Swamp Thing or something! ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2007, 06:58:10 PM »
I agree.
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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2007, 02:13:20 AM »
how about CHESSIE ?
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2007, 06:38:48 AM »
How about the Chupacabra or "Goatsucker?"  (See my "Goatsucker" post on "Strange Things Seen in the Outdoors.")  What kind of sound do they make?  If they have migrated as far as Kansas, they could have gotten to Alabama where Graybeard lives.
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« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2007, 10:11:04 AM »
The following referenced post in turn references one of the "late, great BF researchers"...




This is the conclusion John Green came to at the end of his classic book Sasquatch: the Apes Among Us. I just wanted to put it up here for those folks who have not read it.


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My contention, in brief, is that there is not the slightest possibility that sasquatches can be considered human or near-human, neither are they endangered species, and no other reason is known giving them any unique claim to total protection. On the other hand, they offer unique opportunities to learn things of value to man through the study of an animal. The appropriate action under the circumstances is to collect a sasquatch and get on with the study. Since no scientific institution is attempting to do so, it is perfectly reasonable for some private individual with a gun to get the ball rolling.

It is a normal and common reaction for people suddenly confronted with the prospect that such a creature actually exists to assume that on no account should one be shot, and sometimes people in positions of prominence will support that idea publicly, but they are acting in ignorance. Nor does is make any difference whether the person doing the shooting is some responsible, even reluctant individual, or one of the "trigger-happy" types that the sheriffs tend to worry about. The most likely person to have the opportunity is a person out hunting for something else. Whoever it is, the man who first succeeds in killing a sasquatch and bringing some part of it back for identification will be doing the right thing.

Barring the unlikely eventuality that governments or major scientific institutions will involve themselves in the investigation, that seems to be the only likely way for the matter to be brought to a successful conclusion.

In summary, I hope that I have been able to convey adequately the main points of a rather simple message:

There is evidence that another erect primate shares this globe with mankind.

The evidence may not be conclusive, but it is certainly ample to establish that the matter should be further investigated.

In the meantime, the person who finds himself in the position to obtain a specimen should do so, with the knowledge that it is important, and that such creatures are neither rare nor human.

Finally, don't worry about them. They are big, but they are nothing to be afraid of.




Only problem....by all accounts Mr. Green admitted to never having an encounter with a BF.  ::)
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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2007, 11:10:14 AM »
I agree with everything Mr Green said...accept the part where he sez..."Finally, don't worry about them. They are big, but they are nothing to be afraid of".

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« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2007, 02:09:51 AM »
has a BF ever hurt anyone ? i mean other than the person hurting themselves running from a noise in the night or something they could not ID ? and running into or falling over something in their haste !
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« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2007, 04:32:28 AM »
has a BF ever hurt anyone ? i mean other than the person hurting themselves running from a noise in the night or something they could not ID ? and running into or falling over something in their haste !

The incidents of belligerent behavior I'm aware of occurred in Washington & Tennessee and in both cases these creatures were fired upon (first) by humans with the only human fatality being the Tennessee incident although the "official" report lists cause of death as "bear attack" however, the deceased persons companion(s) found evidence and made statements to the contrary.

Personally, the only such act of aggressive behavior we've encountered was when Todd challenged the alpha male (see the Cookout thread) with a ~1200# tower stand being subsequently slammed to the ground and a large rocked hurled at us.  I reckon he took umbrage at being chased by a puny human?
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« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2007, 04:53:00 AM »
so what did the companion come up with ? at this point in history a bear attack would seem cut and dry , but maybe not ?
for a critter to only attack when they feel attacked seems strange , animals learn a  behavior , they don't have decision making skills as we humans do ! so if the BF was making decisions on a higher level , should they be killed for nothing more than a closer look ?keep in mind this is about a critter that has yet to show them-self ! to more than a few LUCKY outdoors people !
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Re: Killing a Big Foot
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2007, 06:54:34 AM »
so what did the companion come up with ? at this point in history a bear attack would seem cut and dry , but maybe not ?
for a critter to only attack when they feel attacked seems strange , animals learn a  behavior , they don't have decision making skills as we humans do ! so if the BF was making decisions on a higher level , should they be killed for nothing more than a closer look ?keep in mind this is about a critter that has yet to show them-self ! to more than a few LUCKY outdoors people !

What some of the more astute people that are studying these critters are evolving is a working hypothesis these things are a lot more intelligent than the average "BF researcher" has given them credit.  Tool usage and some apparent abstract reasoning ability evidence is being discovered lately and as such makes this notion a lot more plausible than heretofore surmised.  I'm no "expert" in the endeavor by any stretch but know I've seen things yet to be explained in a forensic fashion and witnessed physical acts (tower stand incident) that no human I know of would be capable of handling.

One of my personal hypothesis' is these critters have a substantial subterranean lifestyle which would make for living among us largely undetected a heckuva lot easier.

As far as the "bear attack" incident goes, my understanding is the deceased was sighting in his rifle at a gravel pit which was a short distance from their deer camp.  When his companions went to find him after hearing a quick volley of shots and then nothing else what they found was his body basically beaten to a pulp and stuffed inside the cab of his PU with the truck itself having sustained major damage.  After LE left (post, the "official" explanation) they decided to search for his rifle which was missing.  One of the guys found blood up on the top of the pit beside a cedar tree and they followed a trail of it down a game path leading off the backside for a short distance.  There they found evidence of a great struggle with more blood and the deceased guys' rifle with the barrel bent almost totally back over the receiver.  That is the primary basis for their apparent doubts the attack was made by a bear.

This story was conveyed to me by a resident of that area and apparently it exists only in verbal form as I've been unable to locate any written accounts of this (alleged) incident.
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Re: Killing a Big Foot
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2007, 08:02:40 AM »
Location: MONROE county, MI. UNITED STATES

Sighting Type: 1

Latitude: +041˚ 91' N
Longitude: 083˚ 40' W
Day:
Month: AUG
Year: MISG
Time:
Elevation: 587

Data Source: Bigfoot All Over The Country;” Marian T. Place
Credibility: 2
Locality: near Monroe
Researcher: Place
Witness: Christine Van Acker

Sighting Type: 1
Summary: BF hit with auto;BF grabs and hurts driver;tracks seen;revolting odor,

Sighting Text:
BF hit with auto;BF grabs and hurts driver;tracks seen;revolting odor, Christine Van Acker of Monroe; MI. when 17 she and mother drove on hot Aug day to grandparents; windows rolled down. Huge creature with dark hair stepped into road; car skidded and hit monster. It roared poked huge hairy hand through the open window; fingers clamped down on her head; shook it ; and banged against door frame. She blew horn and men working in field came; huge footprints leading into woods. Revolting smell.

One interesting aspect is the overall hair-covered body, with hair six to eight inches long, and the lack of distinguishing facial features. This fits the description of the Momo Bigfoot of 1972 and the 1965 creature that attacked Christine Van Acker near Monroe, Michigan. Loren Coleman says that these creatures are often referred to as the "Eastern Bigfoot," a much different creature from the Pacific Northwest's Sasquatch.