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Offline chalmitch

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S & W model 17-4
« on: August 05, 2007, 02:20:25 PM »
I have a "Classic" rimfire revolver, S & W model 17-4.  At 20, 000 rounds it needed some parts that S & W replaced.  Over the past few years I have had the frame drilled for a scope mount and it is a ritual to scope for a few months then back to iron sights for a bit and time to swap again. Even though I am getting old I shoot better with the irons but my eyes hold up better in a long session with the red dot.

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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2007, 03:33:15 AM »
Hello Chalmitch
It may be of Interest to you, that the 17-5's came drilled for a scope mount from the factory. They also were the Only Heavy barrel model 17's with a Non Underlug. Here is a 4" Example. Hammerdown





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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2007, 05:40:00 AM »
If the barrel is only 4" is it a Model 17 or an 18? I thought the 17 came only as 6" and 8-3/8" and all the 4" guns were marked as Model 18s. Did that at some point change? I'm not a collector so don't really follow such but have owned a LOT of S&W guns and all the 4" ones I've owned were marked Model 18 not 17. I've owned several.


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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2007, 08:46:45 AM »
If the barrel is only 4" is it a Model 17 or an 18? I thought the 17 came only as 6" and 8-3/8" and all the 4" guns were marked as Model 18s. Did that at some point change? I'm not a collector so don't really follow such but have owned a LOT of S&W guns and all the 4" ones I've owned were marked Model 18 not 17. I've owned several.


Hello Graybeard
The Only model 17 ever available with a 4" Barrel was the Dash-5 series I have shown. This was developed to Phase out the model 18 and it has a Baughman quick draw front sight as well which was not seen on any other model 17 K-22's as they had Patridge front sight blades and These  Baughman sights came on the Combat masterpiece model 18's previous to this Model. It was Only offered for a couple of years back in the 1986-1988 as this series was replaced with the 17-6 which had a full underlug Barrel. This dash-5 series also could have been had with a 4" Barrel as mine shown or the Longer 6" Heavy  Barrel in it's short Life span. Regards, Hammerdown
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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2007, 09:01:59 AM »
Ah ha that explains it. I don't think I've had one made since that time frame as all of mine have been older. I did have one of the newer ones with full underlug on an 8-3/8" barrel and man was that sucker HEAVY. I dumped it and continued to use the older lighter weight ones which are plenty heavy enough for me. I'm real partial to the longest available barrels so I can get that front sight out far enough to focus on it.


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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 05:33:46 AM »
Ah ha that explains it. I don't think I've had one made since that time frame as all of mine have been older. I did have one of the newer ones with full underlug on an 8-3/8" barrel and man was that sucker HEAVY. I dumped it and continued to use the older lighter weight ones which are plenty heavy enough for me. I'm real partial to the longest available barrels so I can get that front sight out far enough to focus on it.


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I agree, and like the Five screw models myself over any of the newer ones as they are trimmer and to me better balanced, better finished, and have much smoother actions. I bought the One shown more as an oddity and flipped it shortly after seeing it wasn't as nice as any of my Vintage ones. Through mt Observations of this Modern K-22 the action was Crude and not nearly as smooth as any of my Five or four screw models, along with The Bluing was at a time when the Brit's took over the factory and  to explain it best is the Modern Dip and Ship finish. It is Blotchy like all finishes from that time span which is not at all eye appealing to me. The 4" Heavy Barrel made it for a nice uniform Balance, but the gun was Not an eye appealing, a tack driver, Nor smooth like my Vintage one's are, so it has a new owner now. Regards, Hammerdown
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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 06:29:00 AM »


what do i have? 5 screw pinned resessed K228xxx inside of crane 4 over70120 over another4
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Re: S & W model 17-4
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 08:26:13 AM »


what do i have? 5 screw pinned resessed K228xxx inside of crane 4 over70120 over another4

Hello Shepra
That is a fine example you have there, and I hope I can answer your concerns as it is a Little complicated if you have not Dealt with, or studied these Changes but S&W used several different Identification Process's on their revolver's over the years, and I hope to explain them the best I can for you. From the Partial Serial number you have provided, It appears you have what they call a Pre-18. Yours seems to be from around 1954. They started making the Model 18 in 1948 and it was called The Combat Masterpiece. The reason it was called that is because of it's shorter 4" Barrel and Baughman quick draw sights. That is the Only difference between this model and the Famed Model 17 which is called the Target Masterpiece, due to it's 6" Barrel along with patridge front sight blade. The model 18 or Pre-18 is a rare find compared to the more Popular model 17's they did not make as many of them. In 1957 S&W was ordered by the Federal Government  to Mark all their revolver's by using a model number stamped on the gun. This is why we see the model number's stamped into the crane area after 1957 Yet the Previous Ones only have stocking Numbers stamped in this Location which explains why Yours has the stocking Number or Bin Location numbers stamped there. They are of Little use other than letting a Factory employee know what Parts go where or what Bins they were Pulled from. All S&W Revolvers will Have the gun's correct serial numbers stamped into the bottom of the grip frame. In your case, the target grips shown on yours would have to be Pulled to show this serial number. S&W also used to Stamp serial numbers in Various other Locations on the Older Vintage revolvers, Primarily to make certain all the Parts made for the specific revolver got back with it after their stages of finishing but as time Passed and all parts Became Retro-Fit they stopped stamping the serial numbers in these Other Locations. The serial Number Locations used on Older Vintage revolvers used to be The face of the Cylinder, The Extractor under Cut on the Bottom of the barrel where the flat Part is and even sometimes Under the star extractor of the cylinder. S&W also used to stamp Letter's on some of their Vintage revolver's to indicate what finish was to be applied. This was done in the Under Cut of the Barrel extractor location, again on the flat Part, it was Not Uncommon to see the Letter "B" on most all Pre-War revolver's there which meant a Blue finish of the Letter "N" there which meant Nickel finish. The reason this was done was to alert the Assemblers that if it was Nickel finish the Polishing Process was more Intense and a finer Polishing had to be done to revolver's of the Nickel finish compared to blued. We Later saw this finish Stamp change from the "B" dropped and they used Mainly for the Letter "N" which indicated a Nickel finish and the later Production revolver spots we saw this were the face of the cylinder along with the side of the grip Frame. This stamp was supplied to let Assembly worker's know that were assembling these Gun's from parts Bin Located Parts during the assembly Process that a Nickel finish stamp meant more Finer Polishing was Needed over the Blued finish Option which became a standard Bright Bluing other than the Model 28 revolver which was done in Matte Bluing as a cost cutting measure.In closing it may also Interest you, that the Large factory grips you have on your revolver are Not correct for the vintage of your revolver. The Oval Foot Ball relief style came in the Early to Mid 1950's as an Optional grip and if Yours were correct they should have the Famous Diamond center of wood around their securing screw. The diamond I speak of is shown below, and was dropped about 1968. After that time, The checkering was also changed from a Broader More Lines Per inch, to a course Looking less Line's Per Inch, Meaning it did not cover as much of the side panel of the grips. This style lasted until around 1976 when we saw the Oval disappear, and it was replaced with the Cut Out Circular relief which was designed by Mr. Roy Jinks after complaints from Law enforcment Personal Poured into the Factory that the Larger target style grips previous to His design would Not allow the use of Speed Loaders. This is why we saw that Circular cut applied to all target grips after 1976. I hope this helped answer your questions. Best regards, Hammerdown







                                   Early 1950's Diamond Target grips







 1958 Target Grips. See how they are Not as Round on The Heel and The Checkered sides appear flat compared to The slightly curved Palm swell on The Earlier Grips above.





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