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Offline rldarmstr

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Browning Sweet Sixteen
« on: July 01, 2007, 12:03:14 PM »
I have a Brown A5/Sweet Sixteen that has a problem in the bolt.  I have had it to Midwest Gun Works twice and the last time they guaranteed that it was fixed. I just came back from the range and I can assure them that it isn't.

Can anyone recommend a gunsmith, knowledgeable on the Browning A5 type shotguns?

I live near St. Louis MO. but can send it anyplace as long as I have reasonable assurances the gunsmith is reliable.

Thanks for any replies!

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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2007, 05:16:58 PM »
I get my old guns worked on at simmons in Olathe, KS.  They are known for their work on Model 12s but they do good work on any type of older gun.  I can dig up their number if you want.  Olathe is on the western side of Kansas City.

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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2007, 06:18:41 AM »
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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2007, 07:29:06 AM »
The problem is that I sent the gun to Simmons in the first place.

I have had this gun since 1960. It has been used moderately but never abused. I had not shot it much in recent years, not because of any problems with it but I have an LC Smith or two that are my 'go to' guns any more. They fit me so darn well that I have a hard time picking anything else up.

Anyway, I decided to have  rib put on the Sweet Sixteen. I was never a fan of that lump of a sight that Browning tacks to the end of their barrels. Simmons did a good job on the rib but as you probably know the heat discolors the barrel and it has to be re-blued and then it doesn't match the receiver so that has to be re-blued. Oh, they also jeweled the bolt and loading agte ( which I was not pleased about and did not ask for).

When the gun came home I took it the the skeet range and within the first box of shells I had 3 failures.

If you pull back on the bolt handle about 1/2 inch you will see that the parts of the bolt seperate a bit and expose a pin, about 1/8 inch in diameter. This pin works its way out so that on the return travel of the bolt, it blocks the pieces from closing. It will not fire the next round in this condition becasue the bolt is not completely closed.

I assumed that the disassembly and cleaning of the gun for bluing probably re-orientated the bolt parts and now they were loose.  I took it to Midwest Gun Works, which is a Browning recommended service facility for obsolete Browning firearms. MGW advertises that they have "ex-Browning gunsmiths".

They had it 3 weeks.  They said they fixed it.  I shot 2 boxes of shells and had 10-12 failures.  I took it back.

They worked on it while I waited. The smith brought it out and 'guarenteed' that it was fixed this time.

At the range I shot 5 shots and had 3 failures.

If anything it has become worse through all the work that has been done to it.

Any advise?




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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2007, 10:25:22 AM »
The recoil ring is at the proper setting?

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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2007, 11:08:02 AM »
yes the recoil setting is correct.  This is NOT a recoil problem.

The fired hull is extracted and ejected correctly.

The pin I referenced in my previous post has to physically be pushed back into its hole for the bolt parts to mesh and close correctly, thus enabling a second shot.

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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 07:29:26 AM »
rldarmstr, I sent my browning 16 to the browning service center in MO when I had problems. They put a few new parts in it one of which was a extractor. Wotks fine now.

If I was in your shoes I believe I would give Simmons another try since the problem started after their working on the gun. Regards, Byron
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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 07:34:56 AM »
I would take my gun to Simmons too.  Their customer service is atrocious, but they do good work.

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Re: Browning Sweet Sixteen
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2007, 06:46:29 AM »
I know my Browning sweet sixteen will hang up if it is not squeaky clean. I've had a time with it after my son let it sit in a closet and rust. Brownings will hide crud that you can not see.  I mean completely disassembled once a year and cleaned with gun scrubber. I take mine to a gunsmith that completely takes everything apart. Good Luck and congrats on owning the best dove gun made.