paperpatching jacketed bullets?

[coopershooter]

i would like to shoot .264 125gr. nosler partitions in a 7-30 waters barrel (21inch contender) i have had good luck with cast bullets but how about those with copper jackets?
 thanks!
coopershooter.

[Chuck White]

coopershooter

I don't consider myself an expert in this area, but I think you'd be asking for trouble when you try driving a .264 bullet down a .284 barrel!

[coopershooter]

have you ever used paper patched bullets? how about shooting .429 44 mag bullets out or a 45 colt case? those were the most accurate bullets i ever shot from a certain 45 lever action.

[Chuck White]

Nope.  I never shot paper patched.

What do you gain, speed, accuracy or both?

I may have to study this subject a  little lot more.

Probably a little easier on barrel wear & tear too!

HHHMMMMMMMM!

Interesting.

[coopershooter]

paper patching the first time with the 45 colt, was out of desperation. that gun was new and shot terrible! i tried all kinds of different loads. the 300 gr 44 mag. patched bullet was the most accurate.
 i bought a 21inch 7-30 waters barrel. i wanted a 30-30 necked down to 6.5, so i could shoot 125 gr. partitions. but that barrel was going to be expensive. if i can patch them to shoot in the 7-30 waters. i'll be all set.
 i'm no expert at this. thats why i asked the question. but if it works, i'll be able to shoot the game bullets i want.
 thank you.

[jhalcott]

  You are trying to increase bullet diameter by at least .020". 2 wraps of paper NORMALLY only get you about .012". You will need a thicker paper or more wraps to get to the diameter you need. You may find that the work does NOT pay off due to less than good accuracy. Definetly powder charges will have to be tinkered with. A sudden kick from high pressures MIGHT spit the bullet thru the paper jacket, leaving a partial bore obstruction.  A comparatively LOW velocity load may not give the trajectory you are looking for.
  If you keep the velocity to around 2000-2100 fps you should have few problems. I have seen .312 bullets used in .321 bores when paper patched. That was an increase of only .009". As always though, you are on your own with this!

[jhalcott]

  You realize that your brass will have to be treated differently also. If you do not bell the mouth slightly, you will tear the paper when seating the bullet. The paper will have to fit just into the leade of the bore and maybe the rifling, to prevent tearing as it starts down the bore. The MORE I think about it , the less I like the idea.
 http://www.shootersproshop.com/noslerfactory2nds.html
  This place has Nosler 2nds for sale

[coopershooter]

thanks for the info guy,s. i'm not sure this is a sound idea. it's just an idea. i know this works for lead bullets, but not sure about copper jackets and high vel. it's not something i would try unless i got the ok from some one that had experience with this type of work.
 thanks

[coopershooter]

guys, i just read the reason for this forum. we should take this elsewhere. i dont think my question applies here. sorry gb, and veral!
 bob olson.

[Veral]

  You are correct.  Your question doesn't belong here, nor are answers supposed to by by anyone but myself, but I have this thing that all shooters should understand all they can about firearms, so will leave it in place for a while.

  Paper patching jacketed works great, and according to Ross Seyfried, it's a very good way to make bullets for oddball calibers.
  It will be quite time consuming considering that bullets for the caliber are readily available, yet there are a couple of important advantages to paper patching which make it worthwhile. 
  Pressures will be lower, due to lower barrel friction.  So velocities can be considerably higher if you understand how to load to max pressure.
  There will be no bore fouling.  The bore will gradually polish to an extremely high luster..
   Since this IS a cast bullet forum.  Same applies to patched lead bullets, and I favor my glue on patch method over conventional patching.  It uses computer labels  wrapped on a specially cut mold. like a band-aid.  I also make molds for conventional paper patching, with most customers preferring a slight bevel base.

[coopershooter]

thank you veral! it was mr. seyfrieds article that originally got me interested in paper patching. his writing is very detailed! i miss his writing in rifle and hand loading. once in a while i'll get a double gun journal. i suspected this might be the wrong place to ask, but not the wrong person, as i knew you would give me a straight answer.
 thanks again mr. smith!