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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #150 on: July 23, 2007, 03:05:59 PM »
Hmmm, he had a bunch of buy it nows listed, they're all ended with no buyer listed!! Maybe he got busted!!! :o

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« Reply #151 on: July 23, 2007, 11:52:20 PM »
WOW, Your right Tim. I noticed the large amount he had listed just a few days ago as well......

Time will tell....

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« Reply #152 on: July 24, 2007, 05:04:15 AM »
Yea, yesterday they had about 12-15 listed, today they are all gone
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #153 on: July 24, 2007, 05:43:40 AM »
Check out his feedback now, looks like someone really got burned. Lucky for him he had a pay-pal account. How can they blame a shipping problem on USPS? Either you mail it when you say you did, or you wait ten days like they did, then blame it on USPS. Their word isn't worth squat. I hope eBay shuts them down.

Not to mention, they are misrepresenting what they are selling. "These stocks are FULLY finished"! Blems, unfitted recoil pads, stained birch sold as walnut, to name a few. I can't believe they are an authorized Boyds retailer, liquidator for the seconds/blems and rejects, maybe.

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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #154 on: July 24, 2007, 03:14:16 PM »
Well, I'm sweatin bullets just about now, :-\ UPS says whatever I'm gettin is on time, should be here tomorrow........... ::) We will see what we see!
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #155 on: July 24, 2007, 04:30:15 PM »
Quote from: capnduane on July 24, 2007, 03:14:16 PM
Well, I'm sweatin bullets just about now, :-\ UPS says whatever I'm gettin is on time, should be here tomorrow........... ::) We will see what we see!

 Just do the wait and see... Tim got at least one that was just fine as was the cinn lam I got .  Not all are bad. But like Busta said, this guys word is worth squat. I hope yours is one of the good ones!!

 Almost two days and NO RESPONCE to my response....... I gotta decide what I a going to do.

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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #156 on: July 24, 2007, 05:39:18 PM »
Quote from: bluebayou on July 17, 2007, 02:57:43 PM
I think that you guys did the right thing in leaving the bad feedback if nothing else.  I realize that it is a very small consolation, but people are too hesitant to leave bad feedback.  If you tried to resolve and they didn't.....then everyone else needs to know they MIGHT get a bad deal.  10 bad feedbacks out of 457 means that the guy isn't going to go out of business either.

I have not looked or intended to buy one of these stocks.  However, as to feedback on any eBay item I've purchased, I specifically place a short note in the additional shipping instructions to the seller that I do not leave feedback to a seller until the seller has first left feedback from me as buyer.  As the buyer, my money has been sent, my shipping information has been given, and there is nothing as a buyer I can do to further indicate my honest buying intentions.  I will not be blackmailed into leaving prior positive feedback to a seller just to have him either not leave or retaliate from negative feedback for misleading or unjust business practices.  If the seller will not leave feedback before the buyer as a condition of sale, I will leave negative feedback against the seller for unfair business practices online and notify other buyers to beware of this.  No honest businessman would hesitate to leave prior positive feedback to the buyer if his business practices were ethical.  Maybe a request to eBay to change its feedback policy needs initiated to prevent these unethical listing and users. 
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #157 on: July 25, 2007, 12:25:03 AM »
Quote from: deltecs on July 24, 2007, 05:39:18 PM
Quote from: bluebayou on July 17, 2007, 02:57:43 PM
I think that you guys did the right thing in leaving the bad feedback if nothing else.  I realize that it is a very small consolation, but people are too hesitant to leave bad feedback.  If you tried to resolve and they didn't.....then everyone else needs to know they MIGHT get a bad deal.  10 bad feedbacks out of 457 means that the guy isn't going to go out of business either.

I have not looked or intended to buy one of these stocks.  However, as to feedback on any eBay item I've purchased, I specifically place a short note in the additional shipping instructions to the seller that I do not leave feedback to a seller until the seller has first left feedback from me as buyer.  As the buyer, my money has been sent, my shipping information has been given, and there is nothing as a buyer I can do to further indicate my honest buying intentions.  I will not be blackmailed into leaving prior positive feedback to a seller just to have him either not leave or retaliate from negative feedback for misleading or unjust business practices.  If the seller will not leave feedback before the buyer as a condition of sale, I will leave negative feedback against the seller for unfair business practices online and notify other buyers to beware of this.  No honest businessman would hesitate to leave prior positive feedback to the buyer if his business practices were ethical.  Maybe a request to eBay to change its feedback policy needs initiated to prevent these unethical listing and users. 

 You make a good point. I don't go so far as to write it out for the seller, but I do agree with you.

 As a seller I leave feed back as soon as payment is made. I know what I am selling/sending and that it is as I have described. As a buyer, I get a bit peeved when I have to ask for feed back....

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« Reply #158 on: July 25, 2007, 01:49:31 PM »
quickdtoo, how do you like the thumbhole stock with the handi?

Would you prefer it with stiff 45/70 loads over the regular stock?

thanks,

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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #159 on: July 25, 2007, 03:01:23 PM »
Stock arrived today, and as the pic shows, it is magnificent! Matches the Cinn lam forend perfectly. Beautiful stock, fits nicely And 6oz lighter than the original laminated stock.  ;D
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #160 on: July 25, 2007, 03:43:19 PM »
Capnduane,
                  What caliber rifle did you mount your T/H stock on? Just curious as it is a little lighter weight, how does it shoot with the heavier recoiling calibers? I think I may try mine on a .25-06.
BTW, I'm glad your transaction turned out good for you.
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #161 on: July 25, 2007, 04:24:27 PM »
Quote from: edgemark on July 25, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
quickdtoo, how do you like the thumbhole stock with the handi?

Would you prefer it with stiff 45/70 loads over the regular stock?

thanks,

edge.

I don't think I'd use a lam t-hole on a heavy recoil rifle, there's not a lot of wood in it, would hate to ruin it. I have one on a 7x57 and a 243, CW has one on a heavy cal, we'll see how that works out.

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« Reply #162 on: July 25, 2007, 06:00:31 PM »
Bang ow, mine is mounted on a 223 with fluted bull bbl. No recoil at all!
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #163 on: July 26, 2007, 03:08:27 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on July 25, 2007, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: edgemark on July 25, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
quickdtoo, how do you like the thumbhole stock with the handi?

Would you prefer it with stiff 45/70 loads over the regular stock?

thanks,

edge.

I don't think I'd use a lam t-hole on a heavy recoil rifle, there's not a lot of wood in it, would hate to ruin it. I have one on a 7x57 and a 243, CW has one on a heavy cal, we'll see how that works out.

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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #164 on: July 26, 2007, 05:58:25 PM »
I was curious when I saw those Boyd's t-hole stocks so I bought one, after I received it I had my droughts about the strength of the stock but I put it on my 243 handi anyway.
After taking it to the range and firing 28 rounds the stock came apart in my hand.
My stock was walnut, a friend got one in laminate and after 100 or so rounds on a 270 his began to separate in the glue lines of the laminate.
I am sure if he had kept on shotting it would have come apart like mine did.
These stocks are junk, no wonder Boyd's don't sell them on their website.
That pawn shop probably gets all their blems, rejects, and throw away junk.
I have been shooting a thumbhole stock from a different manufacture on a 30-06 handi for about 8 months and have had no problems with it and I love the way it performs.
Dirt diver I wish I would have read your post before I wasted my money on one of those Boyd's stocks ( if Boyd's even makes them ), anyway whoever makes them didn't design a good stock and I can say first hand that they are dangerous. I would hate to even trust one on a 17hmr or 22 cal. sporester.
Another case of you get what you pay for. Here is a pic of mine.

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« Reply #165 on: July 26, 2007, 06:05:39 PM »
Holy Hanna !! Man that stinks! Mine looks great, but now I'm having my doubts. I was going to mount it on my .25-06 or .308, but now, its .22 Hornet time!
Thanks for the feedback.
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« Reply #166 on: July 26, 2007, 06:16:14 PM »
That doesn't look anything like either of mine!! The camo lams come on the 12ga Ultraslug hunter from H&R which has a bunch more recoil than the 270, If they have a problem like that, someone is gonna get hurt!!

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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #167 on: July 26, 2007, 07:03:21 PM »
Quote from: snakedoctor on July 26, 2007, 05:58:25 PM
I was curious when I saw those Boyd's t-hole stocks so I bought one, after I received it I had my droughts about the strength of the stock but I put it on my 243 handi anyway.
After taking it to the range and firing 28 rounds the stock came apart in my hand.
My stock was walnut, a friend got one in laminate and after 100 or so rounds on a 270 his began to separate in the glue lines of the laminate.
I am sure if he had kept on shotting it would have come apart like mine did.
These stocks are junk, no wonder Boyd's don't sell them on their website.
That pawn shop probably gets all their blems, rejects, and throw away junk.
I have been shooting a thumbhole stock from a different manufacture on a 30-06 handi for about 8 months and have had no problems with it and I love the way it performs.
Dirt diver I wish I would have read your post before I wasted my money on one of those Boyd's stocks ( if Boyd's even makes them ), anyway whoever makes them didn't design a good stock and I can say first hand that they are dangerous. I would hate to even trust one on a 17hmr or 22 cal. sporester.
Another case of you get what you pay for. Here is a pic of mine.



Have you ask for a refund on them...? How much torque did you put on the stock bolt when installing it? Just curious...

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« Reply #168 on: July 26, 2007, 07:34:56 PM »
Mac,
      Good point, the loads to the stock are in compression during firing, the bolt only needs to be tight enough to hold it securely to the receiver. But yet, could one tighten it enough to induce a split in a lam stock?
Snakedoctor,
                    Do you think you can get pics of your friends delamination? Sorry about your stock, definately ask for a refund or exchange. (If you have confidence enough to fire it again, has all of the fixins for quite a flinch)
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Re: BOYD stocks
« Reply #169 on: July 26, 2007, 08:18:41 PM »


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Mac,
      Good point, the loads to the stock are in compression during firing, the bolt only needs to be tight enough to hold it securely to the receiver. But yet, could one tighten it enough to induce a split in a lam stock?

Most certainly..I've seen folks do it...I'm not saying this is what happened here...but it could happen...Also...since the bolt hole is drilled from the tang back to the thumb hole...it is also possible to have minute stress cracks from the drilling...and never know it till it is over tightened..You can have a ill fitting tang area too...and when tightened improperly will induce breakage..

Some one needs to verify this guy is selling seconds or blem's before saying he is...and Boyd's would have to be the one to say so...

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« Reply #170 on: July 27, 2007, 04:30:50 AM »
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Some one needs to verify this guy is selling seconds or blem's before saying he is...and Boyd's would have to be the one to say so...

Mac


I can do that for you, I have two of them (blems/seconds/rejects) right here. Not to mention they will have to be fitted or bedded to the receiver. Boyds did a poor job making the stock fit the receivers. You would think they would have a fixture that these would have to fit. I still say they are blems/seconds and H&R/NEF's rejects that Boyds dumped on the first buyer that would take them.

I have checked with all the legitimate Boyds Dealers, none of them have them or can get them. Wonder why??? I even checked with Boyds to see if I could buy from them or any of their legitimate Dealers, guess who's number they gave me??? Yep, you guessed it! They are not listed as a Boyds Dealer on Boyds site either. Wonder why???

At least snakedoctors stock looked like real walnut, for what it's worth. Some of the others were just stained pallet wood. Sorry to hear of your misfortune snakedoctor, glad nobody got hurt. If that stock had been on a heavy kicker, somebody could have been seriously injured or worse. That 2" cap screw or sharp receiver could end up in someones cheek, eye, or forehead. I would definitely send that picture to Boyds!
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« Reply #171 on: July 27, 2007, 04:35:00 AM »
I tightened the screw tight enough to hold it on the gun but not enough to start over crushing the wood, I have put more than a couple of stocks on guns over the years so I think I know how to tighten the screw correctly. If you guys want to make lame excuses as to why my stock broke that is up to you, you can blame it on the way I tightened the bolt, the way I held my mouth, the weather, etc, etc. The plain fact is these stocks are nothing but a bad design with so little wood between the bolt head and receiver they are unsafe to use for anything except to hang on the wall.
I have tried to contact the seller but have had no response to e-mail and he will not return my phone calls.
If I leave bad feedback he will more than likely retaliate and leave bad feedback for me, besides with the bad feedback he already has there are still people bidding on his stocks. I guess some people are just stupid so one more bad feedback from me probably wouldn't overcome their stupidity.
My friend with the cracked laminate stock also is unable to get a response from the seller but my friend has a friend that is a lawyer so he turned the stock over to him to see what can be done.
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« Reply #172 on: July 27, 2007, 04:42:41 AM »
Mine is real walnut but the workmanship leaves alot to be desired, the finish looked like some kind of spray on finish or a cheap true oil finish, I just wonder if this stock was unfinished and the seller did a quick finish job on it.
When the stock gave way it bent my hand around but I didn't get hurt. It left me a little gun shy though.
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« Reply #173 on: July 27, 2007, 05:29:37 AM »


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If you guys want to make lame excuses as to why my stock broke that is up to you, you can blame it on the way I tightened the bolt, the way I held my mouth, the weather, etc, etc. The plain fact is these stocks are nothing but a bad design with so little wood between the bolt head and receiver they are unsafe to use for anything except to hang on the wall.

I'm not making any excuses for the guy...and if you would have completely read what I said...then you would have seen that...

Busta...

I'm waiting on a call back from the manager at Boyds..I spoke with a person there just a couple minutes ago...and showed them this thread and snakedoctor's stock...so...we will find out what we can and post back here...

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« Reply #174 on: July 27, 2007, 05:46:48 AM »
Soooooo, maybe the camo-lam t-hole shouldn't be on my 45-70/35 whelen action.......
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« Reply #175 on: July 27, 2007, 07:48:02 AM »


I'm waiting for a e-mail from the company on this for you guys...As soon as I get it...I will be posting it..

Mac
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« Reply #176 on: July 27, 2007, 09:12:35 AM »


Here's the reply I got back from Boyd's Gun Stocks...

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Mike,

Nice speaking with you today.

Please have the folks having problems with there stocks contact the folks they purchased them from and return them,

Both fully fit parts as well as some needing final fitting and finish were sold to various vendors.

Hopefully it is a matter of mistaken identity we are dealing with as parts requiring fitting were to be labeled as such.

We will work with these vendors to supply these folks with what they paid for.

It is and has been Boyds’ goal to supply a top quality product at an affordable price.

Happy shooting

 

 

 

 

Kurt Maus

Sales Manager

Boyds' Gunstock Ind Inc


So...anyone not happy with their stocks from this guy...needs to contact him and work thru him to get it corrected...Boyd's stands behind their products...

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« Reply #177 on: July 27, 2007, 09:27:06 AM »
Maybe Kurt will put some pressure on BVPawn to make good on their sales. :-\

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« Reply #178 on: July 27, 2007, 09:38:07 AM »


I am quite sure he will...especially if they want to remain one of their dealers...


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« Reply #179 on: July 27, 2007, 10:37:36 AM »
Maybe I should head down stairs and do some stock swapping........  At least take it off the HEAVEST recoiling handi I own!!!! ::)

 I am going to leave it on the Hornet.....maybe the yellow lams from the rim-fire on the 500......

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