Crossbow Poll at Outdoor Life webpage

[jh45gun]

Here is the link:  http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/

 

I just voted and we are taking on the chin there as when I was there it was:

Should crossbows be legal during archery season?
21.4%: Yes
78.5%: No
0.1%: I don't care
790626 people have responded to this poll.

We need some pro xbow votes there folks!! Jim

[awshucks]

Well guys, I just did my own poll.  I read every entry on the ODL poll blogs and what I found was 88 pro crossbow, 49 anti, and 7 who don't care either way.  144 entrys, not counting double posts.

Jim, it just went over 800,000 in about 1/2 hr, over 10,000 votes.

[jh45gun]

Yea I read Dan's Post at the Excal site glad to hear Outdoor life was going to pull it because it was corrupted. The things the anti xbow/bowhunters will do to keep xbows out of archery season. 

[jh45gun]

6/6/ 07  10:41 Central Time I just checked and the poll is still there and still works so they did not pull it yet.

[ihuntbucks]

I just went and voted and the numbers now are: 28.6 = yes and 71.4 = no..........Rick

[Laughing Crow]

I would like to offer a very warm thank you to everyone that contributed on the blogs. We may not have cheated on the voting as well as our opponents did, however we bloodied their noses with our responses on the blogs. I am not sure, friends, but I think the pace of the crossbow revolution just clicked up a few notches. Again, thank you to all for helping to make a difference in our hunting future.

[Casull]

What I find hypocritical about the anti's is that alot of them are the same people who made the argument for the compound "bow" back when that was an issue.  These guys are shooting shooting compound devices with 70%, even 85%, letoffs, with trigger releases, multi-pin sights (heck some have optical sights), overdraws, carbon arrows, mechanical broadheads, laser rangefinders, carbon fiber clothing, etc., yet they complain about the crossbow.  Hypocrites.  I say if it brings in more hunters, then its all good.

[Laughing Crow]

An interesting point to think about is that a lot of these guys that are telling us to go work for our own season just like the bowhunters did aren’t old enough or perhaps weren’t even born when we were working to be accepted as a serious method of big game hunting.  And yet, those of us that participated in that struggle are suddenly lazy, slob hunters who don’t deserve the benefits of the bow season.  What does indicate, however, is the outstanding job that the “old” generals of Pope and Young and NABC are doing to program their “young” army before turning them lose on the crossbow camp.  Of course a lot of those generals must be careful about what they say in public as they have industry sponsorships to worry about, reputations to protect from tarnish and lets not forget the legends that they wish to be created about their magnificent contributions to the sport.  I will not mention names and I shouldn’t have to.  However, if you don’t know of whom I speak, go to the Pope and Young website and cruise around and you will see names of those that wish to keep the woods sacred and a private hunting ground for their ever-shrinking army.  These are the individuals that should be held accountable for anti-hunting attitude.  For with very little effort and some moral leadership they could bring to an immediate end to this ridiculous nonsense.  Now that is just my opinion, I could be wrong!

[Tim50]

Crow-I have yet to hear a single GOOD reason not to legalize Crossbows. The anti's usually give emotional displays with misinformation and scare tactics! One site I belong to has anti's trolling the Crossbow Forum creating havoc at every opportunity!  Most bohunters I have spoken to do not have a problem with crossbow but it is the vocal minority that run these organizations that perpetuate this divide. How can a National Bowhunting organization claim the "biggest threat to bowhunting is the crossbow"?? Its a shame they feel fellow hunters are a threat to bowhunting! I cannot believe Outdoor Life has let this very flawed Poll continue to run! I really feel OL dropped the ball on this one. I for one have cancelled my subscription to this mag. Crossbow are making huge inroads and we can only hope many states can see thur the selfish smoke screen the anti's are putting out there!!

[Laughing Crow]

I believe that Outdoor Life did us a favor.  They have brought the crossbow debate to the forefront of the hunting publics attention on an International basis by creating a huge pot that got things stirred up really well.  If you noticed that on both blogs, there were lots of anti-responses at the beginning.  Bit by bit, the crossbow camp chopped away at their arguments and pretty soon the antis were not posting so much and when they did, their posts seemed to me to soften.  I believe that even they could see how bad they were looking.  Who knows, maybe word went out from the leadership to the members to, “Stay off the blogs!  You’re making us look bad.” 

At any rate, look bad they did.  They were exposed for the selfish, spin-talking radicals that they are.  I guess only time will tell.  However, I still feel that Outdoor Life did the crossbow revolution a big favor and I am glad that they did. Now that is just my opinion, I could be wrong!

[markc]

So disappointed to read that it missed being passed in Texas due to one pro Xbow senator being out sick.    Maybe next year. 

[awshucks]

Interesting post copied from the blog:

At 10:01 PM, 6/11/2007, Marmot said:
Earlier today, I set a trap to prove to the community that the anti-crossbow crowd has been employing a voting robot (a.k.a. webbot). I used a voting webbot that I developed to post over 100,000 "Yes" votes to trigger a response. The anti-crossbow crowd webbot is currently racking up thousands of "No" votes. Please take a few minutes to place a couple of votes to see this voting webbot in action.

[awshucks]

Boy Howdy, Jim!  Sure glad you are on our side in this.  Due to some great posts by you and others who care:
latest blog results:
1st blog: 154 pro 67 anti 7 still don't care. lol
2nd blog: 95 pro 12 anti

[jh45gun]

I get a kick out these jerks telling us to ask for our own season as they know there is not room for an other season in most states at least not in WI there is not with bow season from the middle of Sept to the third week of Nov when gun season starts then muzzle loader season after that with bow season again from the end of the first week of Dec normally to the beginning of Jan and some metro seasons go past that. There is no room for an other season and I think they do that as they HOPE the crossbow will get lumped into  the gun seasons instead of the archery seasons. I think most DNR's consider the xbow a archery platform and treat it as such and has the crossbow considered an archery product to be used in the archery season.

[Tim50]

jh45gun,
           Same deal here in Pennsylvania. There just is no open time to "give up" for a Crossbow only season. Reguardless of the rants by the anti's the crossbow & the compound are related...The Fed's concider the crossbow as archery equipment & tax it as such. We have our foot in the door here in Pa. I have found that the anti's have VERY few facts to support their stance. Most of the debates I get into turn to name calling & misinformation slinging by them. We need to try & stay ABOVE that type of mud slinging.....................It's hard at times but as a whole on many sites I have found the Crossbow Community to be well informed, and staying above the name calling. Look at the OL blog well informed debate with positive attitudes & class. Even with the Poll  info tainted I think we have gotten our message out in the blog! Keep up the good work!!!

[Laughing Crow]

It’s very interesting how the ANTIS insist that if there weren’t really so few of us crossbow creeps we could get organized and work for our own season just like they did.  No sooner than that has come out of one side of their mouth the other speaks saying the reason the blogs are so lopsided is that the crossbow people are better organized than the NABC at getting the PROS to respond to conflict.  At the end of the day, Gentlemen (and Ladies), if you are completely honest, you must admit that those guys are “REALLY GOOD” and that we are “REALLY BAD”.  It should be fairly obvious that there’s not a whole lot we can do to win against the likes of those “GOOD OL BOYS”!   I have never seen such desperation!  Perhaps now you know why this Crow is Laughing!

[Tim50]

It is amazing how people that are against crossbows because of the technology continue to use 85% let-off bows, carbon arrows, fiber optic sights some red dot & 2X sights and then use technology again in the form of a "webbot" to alter a legit Poll to gain an advantage. Are they afraid of what an honest Poll would show the public? I guess the bottom line is as long as the technology in is the anti's favor it is acceptable. They just continue their selfish ways!  I do not mean to throw all the stick & recurve users into this high tech pile! If you have an anti stance I do not agree with it but do respect it! If your shooting a high tech compound & oppose crossbows you are just supporting the selfish & elitest sterotype that is already out there!

[jh45gun]

Tim you are so right about the tech part of it. there is very little difference in the ease of learning to shoot a compound bow or any bow for that matter by using a release and a crossbow.  The hardest part of shooting a bow before was the finger control and release using a tab or your bare fingers. It took lots of practice to get good at that. Now with a mechanical release its easy any one can learn to shoot a bow in minutes.

LC your right they are pretty desparate.