MUZZLE BRAKE 450/45/70

[rex6666]

has anyone tried a muzzle brake or similar on the 450 or 45/70.
have seen them put on 7 mag and really tamed it down

[DalesCarpentry]

I am sure it has been done. I am considering that for the 450. The thing is I think it will cost about $200.00 though. Dose anyone know a place that is reasonible?

[Dillohide]

I've seen Marlins with it but from what I'm told your basically giving up 2 to 3 inches of barrel drilling holes in it and I'm not willing to do that. They will not make you very popular at the rifle range either. I'd rather reduce my load if recoil is a problem.

[quickdtoo]

Put a mercury recoil reducer in the stock for <$40, it will make a nice difference and won't harm your or anyone else's hearing like a brake will.

Tim

[rex6666]

i had forgotten about the noise.
i had a weatherby 340mag once for a short time, it came with a brake if you positioned your self in the middle of a 10 stand range after about 4 shots you either had the range to yourself or some angry people WITH GUNS

[greg916]

I had a Marlin 450 that was ported. Muzzle flash and blast was bad.  Dillohide is right.  Not very popular at the range

[joshco84]

my 500 s&w handi has one, but i have yet to shoot it yet.  I imagine it will be quite loud though.

josh

[trotterlg]

There are lots of breaks you thread on the end of the barrel, all it would take is to turn the barrel down and cut some threads, I don't thik it would take more than a couple of hours.  Larry

[nomosendero]

Frankly, I just don't see the need. I had a 450 Ultra, H&R installed a steel rod in the stock. I added a slip-on recoil pad & that worked well anyway because I have log arms. With both of these features combined, it was no problem at all & a brake would have been a waste of money. If your arms are more normal in length, have a limbsaver installed & the steel rod, a mercury reducer won't be needed either.

[quickdtoo]

Having used both a 1lb-12oz dead weight and a 16oz MRR in the 45-70 and 500S&W, the MRR reduces felt recoil more than the dead weight.  Both with Limbsaver recoil pads. I'd go for the pad first, then add whatever to get where you're comfortable. The nice thing about the MRR is it weighs less for the recoil reduction you get out of it, something to consider when packing it around all day while hunting.

Tim

[nomosendero]

To each his own, I just don't need it, but recoil is subjective & to me the bar is even questionable. 

Now if we were talking about a 45 Lott or something that really kicks, that would be different.

[quickdtoo]

Hmmm, can you say detached retina!!!!

[nomosendero]

I could say it if I needed to.

[quickdtoo]

Lets hope you don't need to say it or repeat it after the doc gives you the bad news!!

[Coffee_Boy]

i had a weatherby 340mag once for a short time,

Did the angry rhinos that were terrorizing your neighborhood leave as soon as you bought it, or did you have to use it on them?

[Mac11700]

You want to make your rifle more comfortable...First and foremost...get the stock fitted to you...add a good recoil pad..and a soft cheek piece to it..and get a good set of ear plugs...A rifle that fits the shooter will automatically give less perceived recoil than one that has too much drop or is too long..or too short and it will allow the rifle to recoil more in a straight line rearward.....A good recoil pad will like the Limbsaver or the Hi-Viz will absorb more of the shove..and spread it out over a larger portion of your shoulder..The soft cheek piece will remove the face slap from the stock jamming into your cheek..and promote a proper cheek weld that improves your shooting skills...and a good set of ear plugs will help remove the sub conscious flinch caused by the muzzle blast....Handi stocks don't fit everyone..and if you have to lay your head over the comb to look thru the scope...then the rifle doesn't fit you properly...and you need to correct that first.

Muzzle brakes do work and I've had a few of them...In these calibers I had one on my Marlin 1895 GS 45-70...but..they are very loud and will make anyone on the side of you at the range very PO'd when you shoot them there..and they also can cause you problems if your shooting next to something like a tree or hillside where the sound can reflect back to you...I would rather spend my money on having the rifle fitted to me...that usually works best for me.

Mac



 

[rex6666]

Coffee Boy i never had any problems with Rhinos, but do think the 340 was directly responsible
for the squirrel population decline on Red River. one squirrel hunter told me that after i would shoot
 the 340 8-10 times in one day it was a lot easier for him to slip up on the squirrels. seems like they could not hear him coming. it was a great Cape buff gun i shot 27 Buffs one night all one shot,drop in their tracks kills, but then i woke up got off the couch and went to bed.

[Freightman]

They do work, but the only one I have is built in to the barrel of my Hakim, no one sits on the right side of me when I shoot it just cant figure it out.

[rex6666]

i want to thank you guys, surly i have enough info to make something work, and have a good gin smith close by

[nomosendero]

Lets hope you don't need to say it or repeat it after the doc gives you the bad news!!

Tim, man I don't know how to put this. To me  the 450 is not that bad in the Ultra, but we are all different. I cannot say how it is for others & you have no idea how it would be for me. I may get a detached retina, but not from a 450 Marlin with a steel rod & a slip-on pad like I described that I have used unless I shot it from my forehead instead of my shoulder. When I said the need for the bar was questionable, the word is questionable & you would still need a good pad. It may be needed & may not be for some. The Ultra due to the Lam. stock is already heavier than the 45-70 syn. & some forks shoot the 45-70 syn with hot loads, my brother for one & it has a healthy kick.  I feel that for alot of people, if they removed the rod & shot it, they would prefer to re-install it, but it is not for me to say.

I only gave my opinion as to how my rifle felt for ME when I shot it. Therefore, it may be good to try it first instead of thinking on the front end that they need a brake, mercury reducer & other things. Like Mac said, how the gun fits & a nice pad will go a long ways, just the way it is. Recoil is very subjective, I have seen small Women shoot big mags with no problem & big Male couch potatoes cringe at an '06's recoil.

I will make a point to NEVER again get into a recoil discussion on the NEF forum. I am sorry if I have confused anyone, but it will not happen again, I promise.

[quickdtoo]

All I can say is there have been a lot of 450 Marlin rifles/barrels sold in the classifieds here solely due to the harsh recoil which, unless a person handloads for it, will be substantially more than OTC factory 45-70 ammo, there's no getting around that fact. If a person knows that up front, they can take the appropriate steps to abate some of that recoil to make shooting the 450M a pleasant experience.

Tim

[nomosendero]

Well Tim, I am a person too & I was not shooting reloads, but factory 450Marlin ammo, so to each his own. I am done with this, I did not know that someone else could tell me how I felt when I shot my gun.

By now!!  

[quickdtoo]

Rod, I'm not trying to tell you anything, just being honest with the folks here that haven't shot a heavy recoiling Handi before.

Tim

[nomosendero]

Are you saying that I am being dishonest? I don't do that for one thing & and I would have no incentive to for another, the slight bit of misleading would have zero logic. 

So, I am being honest with the folks as you call it with m opinion. We just don't agree.

[quickdtoo]

Are you saying that I am being dishonest?

Nope, never meant to imply that, sorry if you took it that way.

Tim

[Dillohide]

Recoil bent over a bench is always going to be more than the typical field position. I shoot Hornady factory ammo in my 450 Marlin then reload the cases. I think it's a nice switch being able to buy a hot load off the shelf from the factory and reload lighter. Frankly, the recoil doesn't bother me that much. Fill the butt with lead, add a cheap shotgun slip pad, put your shoulder into it an hold on. YeeHaw, that's fun!

[BANG_OW]

Guys,
         Did you ever notice that when you have game in front of the barrel that there is little or no felt recoil? The only time this didn't work for me was when I was 13 and deer hunting with a little 20ga. Stevens single shot. I was standing with my back against against a big oak tree when a buck chased a doe right past me. I pulled up and "stove piped" the buck at about 5 yards. By leaning against the tree, I hammered my shoulder and my arm went numb. I leaned the gun against the tree and walked back to the house to get my dad, I couldn't lift my arm for about twenty minutes, much less field dress the deer. My shoulder turned a wierd purple black with a white center. My dad just chuckled and told me he did that ONCE while squirrel hunting when he was a kid. 
Don

[jmckinley]

  Gentlemen when I was in Germany many years ago at a local range shooting a custom model 29 I had an (dis)pleasure of shooting two shoulder cannons. A German gentleman asked if he could shoot my 44 and that I could shoot his double rifles...well I did and had 6 hours of dental work later that afternoon. The First was  a 470 Nitro the second was a Custom 460 Weatherby. Guys I wish I could say I enjoyed it you have to be on happy weed to enjoy the 460. Yet, that 470 nitro wasn't bad at all off hand but off the bench that rifle would hurt you. I think that's why they make lead sleds, put a Simms on the rifle use a lead sled and in the field you'll never feel the gun go off. This is from a guy who thinks a 22 has to much recoil...    Jess

[knight0334]

Gentlemen when I was in Germany many years ago at a local range shooting a custom model 29 I had an (dis)pleasure of shooting two shoulder cannons. A German gentleman asked if he could shoot my 44 and that I could shoot his double rifles...well I did and had 6 hours of dental work later that afternoon. The First was  a 470 Nitro the second was a Custom 460 Weatherby. Guys I wish I could say I enjoyed it you have to be on happy weed to enjoy the 460. Yet, that 470 nitro wasn't bad at all off hand but off the bench that rifle would hurt you. I think that's why they make lead sleds, put a Simms on the rifle use a lead sled and in the field you'll never feel the gun go off. This is from a guy who thinks a 22 has to muck recoil...    Jess

The 460Wby mag isn't that bad..   We shoot paint cans/buckets with one.  My 16yo cousin(145lb) can shoot it 4-5 times without it really bothering him.

[quickdtoo]

For anyone interested, the 460 Weatherby provides right at 100lbs recoil, close to triple that of the 450 Marlin. I can't imagine anyone enjoying "plinking" with full house loads in that cannon, 500gr loads at 2600 fps, factory ammo costs $100 a box of 20!!

Tim

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

http://www.weatherby.com/products/ammo.asp?prd_id=13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.460_Weatherby_Magnum

http://www.chuckhawks.com/460Wby.htm