Author Topic: Attemped change to the Flintlock season. (Read 4822 times)

manofthe45 · « **on:** March 24, 2007, 03:36:26 PM »

HB 819 By Denlinger. Amends Title 34 (Game) by stating that any hunting season for flintlock muzzleloaders will also allow for hunting with in-line muzzleloaders.
- Mar 19, 2007 - Referred to House Game and Fisheries

I personally do not care one way or the other, but if you wish the flintlock season to stay the way it is you may want to contact your representatives.

I will not allow this to become a word battle between two or three people. Your concerns or thoughts are more than welcome but any personal attacks on this subject will be dealt with quickly.

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2007, 05:46:04 PM »

How the hell can they call it a "flintlock season" and allow inlines? PA has already established a new earlier muzzle loading season for those folks who want to use inlines and scopes and such. In PA there really are quite a few folks who seem to really like their flintlock season. I have a friend there who sure enjoys it. Just one more insane idea to do away with tradition. If it weren't for them already having a season just for those inline guys it might make more sense. But what the heck do I care I'm in Bama.

The Gamemaster · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:03:46 AM »

It's all out of lazyness.

The hunters don't want to hunt anymore - they just want to get.

They ought to cut that season back to 2 weeks period.

The Game Commission is only interested in selling licenses - not preserving the game we had.

Other forums suggested a Semi Automatic Rifle for hunting deer and they even went so far as to say that they would pay for the privelege to use it.

People with nothing more to do with their time than to go out and act like RAMBO.

Spraying and Praying on everything that moves.

Just what we need in Pennsylvania.

revo · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2007, 07:47:38 AM »

Yeah, this is kind of a shame. PA's flintlock season is a real gem and should be preserved.

I'll admit I'm an inline guy. Even if this passes, I don't think I'd take to the woods with an inline after Christmas. Just wouldn't seem right.

BattleRifleG3 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:49:12 AM »

If this increases the number of game taken due to extending the practical range of the arms, that wouldn't be a good thing in my opinion.

manofthe45 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2007, 06:04:47 PM »

This bill by my understanding has been shelved for the time being

shotgunner · « **Reply #6 on:** June 14, 2007, 07:57:25 AM »

I hunt with a flintlock and enjoy it, the deer are moving and it is easy to get permission this time of year. I would like to see caplock guns allowed. These are still traditional but are more reliable and might get a few more people to get involved. Shotgunner

manofthe45 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2007, 12:49:08 AM »

I agree with you on the caplocks, but unfortantly we will never see them allowed unless they include inlines too.. I am still holding my breath that we may one day be able to harvest bucks in the early season. One buck a year is one buck a year no matter when you take it.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2007, 03:46:30 PM »

I don't agree with allowing caplocks in the flintlock season. Flintlock season is what it is. There is no guarantee that the pan is going to go off when you pull that trigger. That's part of the fun of the season. Caplocks will take that part of it away from it.

There's a reason they call it flintlock season.

I don't own an inline and probably never will. That doesn't mean I don't agree with having an early inline season. I think it's fine. Heck, if I want to I can take my flintlock out in the early inline season.....but usually I'm tryin to arrow a buck!

Dave

shotgunner · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2007, 05:31:26 AM »

Whats in a name? Call it Traditional Muzzle loader season. A Hawken cap-lock is not a modern firearm. It will not kill a deer any farther than a flintlock. It might go off a little faster, making for a better shot and less wounded deer. I hunt squirrels with a 32 cap-lock and have lots of fun with it. I don't see where a cap lock gun would make it any worse. Shotgunner

Davemuzz · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2007, 09:34:32 AM »

If you want to test your skills, try hunting in an all day rain with a flintlock. Not only do you test your ability to hunt, (because those deer have been push at, and shot at by everybody at that point), but you also test your ability to keep your flintlock ready to fire. It's not an impossible task, but one that requires patience, focus and diligence. All of these are excellent virtues to teach a young hunter. A caplock and an inline make this eaiser. Sometimes, matters in life aren't easy. You and I know that....it's the young pups that often give it lip service.

Dave

Rummer · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2007, 04:59:31 AM »

I was just reading the On-line version of the regulation book that comes w/ a PA Hunting License.

The paragraph dealing with Lawful Arms and Ammo for the Flintlock season has changed:

Late Flintlock Season - Flintlock ignition, single-barrel long guns
manufactured prior to 1800, or a similar reproduction of an original
muzzleloading single-barrel long gun 44 caliber or larger, or 50 caliber
or larger handgun, using a single projectile. It is unlawful to use
telescopic sights. Crossbows are permitted during the muzzleloader
seasons. Hunters using crossbows during the early muzzleloader
season or late flintlock season would need to have a muzzleloader
stamp in addition to their general hunting license and appropriate
WMU antlerless deer license. However, late season flintlock hunters
using a crossbow would be permitted to take an antlered deer or
an antlerless deer anywhere in the state with their unused antlered
deer tag, just like other late season flintlock hunters.

In years past it seems there was always a separate sentence in there specifically forbidding peep sights. Now there is a sentence specifically forbidding telescoping sights but no mention of peeps.

Did the rule change?

rs · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2007, 07:12:45 AM »

Peep sights are now legal in the late flintlock season in pa.!!!

Davemuzz · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2007, 07:17:03 AM »

Yes,

This year you are allowed to have a peep sight on your flintlock. In fact, when I found out about this change (about a month ago) I ordered, received and already mounted my Lyman peep sight on my T\C. I like peep sights way more than open sights.

Except for the Winchester Model 88. That open sight is the only one that I like more than a peep, and no one seems to reproduce it as an aftermarket.

Dave.

davem270win · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2007, 06:36:36 AM »

Flintlock season should remain just that - flintlock season. The inline people seem to have plenty of opportunities to use their guns, since they can also use them during regular seasons, plus the early season. The possibility of getting a shot at a buck in the flintlock season adds to that experience, even if the odds are against you.

I don't have a particular objection to peep sights, as I don't find them to be that much of an advantage over open sights.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2007, 07:07:07 AM »

Quote from: davem270win on July 05, 2007, 06:36:36 AM

Flintlock season should remain just that - flintlock season. The inline people seem to have plenty of opportunities to use their guns, since they can also use them during regular seasons, plus the early season. The possibility of getting a shot at a buck in the flintlock season adds to that experience, even if the odds are against you.

I don't have a particular objection to peep sights, as I don't find them to be that much of an advantage over open sights.

It should be all people named "Dave" that should set all policies for the world. Then world order would be established and things would be simple and easy. If you didn't understand something....you would just "ask Dave."

See how easy that would be?

culprit · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2007, 05:46:57 AM »

Looks like I'll be moving to the Pittsburgh area next year. How do you know if your flintlock qualifies as a pre-1800 era replica weapon? I have a Lyman Great Plains Rifle that I would like to use. Would that be legal?

Quote from: Rummer on July 04, 2007, 04:59:31 AM

I was just reading the On-line version of the regulation book that comes w/ a PA Hunting License.

The paragraph dealing with Lawful Arms and Ammo for the Flintlock season has changed:

Late Flintlock Season - Flintlock ignition, single-barrel long guns
manufactured prior to 1800, or a similar reproduction of an original
muzzleloading single-barrel long gun 44 caliber or larger, or 50 caliber
or larger handgun, using a single projectile. It is unlawful to use
telescopic sights. Crossbows are permitted during the muzzleloader
seasons. Hunters using crossbows during the early muzzleloader
season or late flintlock season would need to have a muzzleloader
stamp in addition to their general hunting license and appropriate
WMU antlerless deer license. However, late season flintlock hunters
using a crossbow would be permitted to take an antlered deer or
an antlerless deer anywhere in the state with their unused antlered
deer tag, just like other late season flintlock hunters.

In years past it seems there was always a separate sentence in there specifically forbidding peep sights. Now there is a sentence specifically forbidding telescoping sights but no mention of peeps.

Did the rule change?

Davemuzz · « **Reply #17 on:** November 08, 2007, 01:23:47 PM »

Culprit,

Lot's of people use Lyman's. It's gotta be a sidelock (Flinklock....no Caplock's) you can have a "set trigger", and the caliber has to be greater than 44. (I am going off of memory for this but I'm quite sure this is correct).

Black powder (or a black powder substitute) only! No modern propellents! No in-lines in the late flint lock season.

Do you have a picture of you gun? Or, can you describe your gun? That would be helpful

Dave

culprit · « **Reply #18 on:** November 08, 2007, 04:56:20 PM »

Sure. I built it from a kit. Its a Lyman Great Plains Rifle in .54 cal with a 1-66 inch twist barrel for patch round ball. It is flintlock. I have several sidehammer rifles but this is my first flintlock.

By the way. How come all the cool guys are named DAVE? Just another of of them on here.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #19 on:** November 09, 2007, 02:38:50 PM »

Culprit,

Yup...that one you sure can use. The 1-66 twist is the best for patch 'n roundball. I have a Green Mountain 50 caliber barrel on a T\C stock in that twist. It's very accurate and my shooter in the late
PA. flintlock season.

Oh, and the "Dave" thing. Yeah...I think that all serious decisions in the world should be made by men named Dave. Then there would be no problems. But hey, that's just me.

Dave

flyfisher · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2007, 07:14:34 AM »

Flintlock only, flintlock only, flintlock only!!!! I do not in any way want to see the PA flintlock season anything but flintlocks. All of the whining and complaining from those who use the in-lines need to at least try a flintlock at some point in their lives. As far as I am concerned, it is the only way to hunt with a muzzle loader. It is one of the best times of the year to get out and hunt, the length of the season is wonderful, and hunting the way our ancestors hunted adds to the entire experience. Yes, it's a bit more difficult to shoot a deer with a flintlock, but it's not even close to impossible. It simply adds to the tradition and challenge of whitetail hunting. Any slob can go out with a rifle or even an in-line and have their weapon fire consistently and kill a whitetail, but a true woodsman goes out in late season with a flintlock and kills a whitetail. I try to save enough tags to hunt archery, rifle, and flintlock, and I sure am glad that I have an opportunity to hunt all of those seasons here in PA. I just hope that flintlock season stays flintlock season.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2007, 07:38:30 AM »

In-lines.....Just a high powered rifle without the brass!!!!

Dave

Fly-guy...no argument here. Flintlock season is (next to archery) the best time to hunt whitetail. Snow (well...maybe not last year) covered woods...cold, wet snow....pans that need tended to. Guns that don't always go bang. Heck....that's half the challenge and most of the fun.

Smokepole cowboy · « **Reply #22 on:** November 17, 2007, 01:36:26 PM »

Don't mess with my flintlock season. I do have an inline and I hunt the early season with it as well as using it or the flintlock for Bear or regular deer season. But don't change the late flintlock season.

ratgunner · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2007, 11:36:43 AM »

It's all so they can sell more muzzeloader stamps.I am against it.Flintlock only .

mrloring · « **Reply #24 on:** December 12, 2007, 06:24:08 AM »

Quote from: The Gamemaster on March 25, 2007, 05:03:46 AM

They ought to cut that season back to 2 weeks period.

It is only 2 and a half weeks now.

DDelle338 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 14, 2007, 07:40:57 AM »

If they do anything involving the in-lines, they ought to do away with the early season. Leave that for the archers.
Move the in-line season so it runs concurrent with (at the same time as) the rifle season.

Dave

Davemuzz · « **Reply #26 on:** December 14, 2007, 08:43:02 AM »

Quote from: DDelle338 on December 14, 2007, 07:40:57 AM

If they do anything involving the in-lines, they ought to do away with the early season. Leave that for the archers.
Move the in-line season so it runs concurrent with (at the same time as) the rifle season.

Dave

That won't happen. You can use your inline in regular rifle season now. If they did away with the early season they would just be taking away something and not giving anything back.

Dave

manofthe45 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 14, 2007, 05:18:40 PM »

If they remove the early ML season believe me when I say that there will be an unstoppable push to place them in the late season. Better to just leave well enough alone. Course this whole arguement is mute as this bill was defeated almost a year ago.

DDelle338 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 17, 2007, 06:47:48 AM »

Quote from: Davemuzz on December 14, 2007, 08:43:02 AM

Quote from: DDelle338 on December 14, 2007, 07:40:57 AM
If they do anything involving the in-lines, they ought to do away with the early season. Leave that for the archers.
Move the in-line season so it runs concurrent with (at the same time as) the rifle season.

Dave

That won't happen. You can use your inline in regular rifle season now. If they did away with the early season they would just be taking away something and not giving anything back.
Dave

That's sort of what I was getting at. Without actually saying "do away with the early season" I never did agree with the need for a special season for in-lines period. I'm an achery hunter mostly, and SELFISH! I think they messed up MY season by allowing all the other hunting during archery.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #29 on:** December 17, 2007, 07:42:52 AM »

Quote from: DDelle338 on December 17, 2007, 06:47:48 AM

That's sort of what I was getting at. Without actually saying "do away with the early season" I never did agree with the need for a special season for in-lines period. I'm an achery hunter mostly, and SELFISH! I think they messed up MY season by allowing all the other hunting during archery.

Well.....when they let "some" (not all, not most.....but there are just a few) of the seniors out there in archery with their rifles......it's best to not be in a tree stand.....'cause you can't run far without falling! $:-\$

Dave