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Finally shot a good rifle...
« on: March 01, 2007, 02:29:02 AM »
Over the years I've shot a lot of rifles but I've never been really confident in being able to shoot those itty-bitty groups with no space between the holes.  I've always been happy if I could shoot into an inch or inch and a half.  But now my life has changed...  Since getting stationed in Germany this time, I decided to get my German hunting license (Jagdschein).  It a fairly involved process that ends with 3 shooting tests, a written test and a verbal question and answer session.  To answer the question, yes, I passed the test easily but now have to spend more money to get the license issued.  While getting ready for the test, our Rod and Gun club took us out to the local range for practice about once a week for a couple of months.  A couple of the rifles we shot were really nice target rifles but one really stood out.  If you ever get a chance to pick up a Sauer Jagd Match, don't hesitate, just write the check...  This gun is phenomenally accurate.  Chambered in 6mm Norma BR and wearing a Swarovski 4x12 scope, it is a shooting machine!  Groups with all shots touching are simply the norm for this rifle.  Doesn't matter who shoots it, or for how long.  We would frequently put 100 or more shots downrange from this rifle with 6-8 shooters.  We were literally able to all use the same target just by picking a different aiming point and then shooting at the bullet holes.  Cold first shots went dead center and 30 shots later it was still shooting dead center.  Come to think of it, two other rifles we were shooting we Sauer's also and were extremely accurate as well.  Great looking, great triggers and great shooting.  The only thing that would make it better would be if I could afford one!!!


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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2007, 01:39:18 PM »
You think you had a hard time getting a Germany Hunting lincense? HECK, you should have to go through what the Germans have to go through, but then you would rotate back to the States befor you you`ld get one.
I did what you are doing, but I got my lincense back in 1966 when I was over there. That and There are alot of gun that will shoot well under 1 moa, you just can`t buy them factroy made from the factory, very often.
     AND I would like to thank you for your service to our country.

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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2007, 09:14:10 PM »
Yeah, the German course and test are a little more detailed and in-depth than what we have to go through.  We are told there is some backlash now among German hunters.  They are starting to question why they have to know and test on biology of non-game species and animals that aren't huntable anymore.  I know they have a book of about 5,000 questions that they can buy to study up on before their test.  Our shooting test was the same but the written test and board are supposedly "dumbed-down" a little.  The German course takes about a year, BUT, most Germans who take the course have no (or very little) prior experience in shooting or hunting.  They know that about 95% of Americans who want to get a Jagdschein are already fairly accomplished hunters and shooters.  Case in point, our Rod and Gun club here hasn't had a shooting or gun handling failure in over 6 (12 tests) years.  The Germans say they usually have one shooting failure in every two or three tests.  In fact our best shooter was a 18 year old high school girl.  She outshot a 2-star, a CWO-5 (SF), a couple of O-5's and me a grumpy old E-7. 

In some ways, I think a better hunting course would be good to put in place in the US, but I really don't want to give the government that much regulation over hunting.  Our consensus is that the German government just makes the testing so hard and expensive so that you have to prove your desire to hunt by putting up with all the crap and paying all the fees.  It's expensive here.  My three year license will cost about $225.  I have to pay about $75/year for personal liability and hunting insurance.  Of course you have to pay to pull the trigger on an animal and then pay more if you want the meat.  The only way around that is when you can get in on an "Abschuss" hunt.  Basically a cull hunt.  Some guys got in on one a while back where they just had drive hunt after drive hunt all weekend until they killed over 200 animals (Rehwild "roe deer" and Schwarzwild "wild boar").  They didn't have to pay a trophy fee for those but they did have to pay for any meat they wanted.  Of course guns here are generally more expensive for the same model than in the US.  I can pick up a Tikka T-3 .308 SS for about $700 but it's only about $600 at home.  Then I have to send it to be proofed, that's about $40.  It all adds up.  Gun safes (Waffenschrank) are mandatory and they police can come inspect them any time they want.  Well, gotta go... duty calls... more paperwork.

Thanks for the "thanks".  Seems like everyone is saying "thank you" these days.  Seems sort of corny at times but when you know it is honestly meant then it feels good.  Too bad we didn't take care of our Vietnam vets that way.  They deserve it a lot more than we do.


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ngh
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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 09:22:29 AM »
Hi There,

      Hmmm I am a little puzzled here about the proof you had t pay for? Germany is a member of CIP as is Finland s a Tikka is already proofed and should be perfectly acceptable in Germany as it is here in the UK. I know that the CIP wanted to make it compulsory for re-proofing every few years  ::) not that the firearms needed it but CIP could see more sheckles coing in from it  >:(.

     Now as for the Sauer's .......... glad the ones you shot were accurate but I am sorry to say not all are  :( a friends son brought a Sauer 202 in 7x64 which struggled to hold groups any better than 3" at 100 yards. Even a new barrel failed to help  :o and he tried every type of factory ammo he couls find or order plus several handloads. He finally called it quits and and a very expensive experiment and brought a Blaser R93 professional in 7x57 which shot very well indeed. He recently sold that Blaser to make way for a mint vintage Mannlicher Schoenauer GK in 7x64 and that rifle I doubt he ever will part with. He has only been looking for a good one for 12 years that I am aware of.

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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 12:28:45 AM »
You would think the Tikka proof would be acceptable but evidently the German authorities need the money.  I know of several guns that I have seen with two proofs on them.  The Beretta's have Italian and German stamps.  The Tikka's and Sako's have two as well if they have been purchased.  The one I'm looking at has the original stamp but I have been told that it must be sent to the proof house also.  Doesn't make much sense to me but then I don't have much choice if I want to buy a firearm to hunt with here.  If they want it proofed, then I have to get it proofed.  Your friend's son made a great choice with the Blaser R93.  I had thought it was a gimmick until I had the chance to shoot a couple of them.  I have found them to be routinely accurate.  I would like to buy a R93 Offroad but with four kids, I have to look for something a little cheaper for now.  I do have a friend who wants to sell me his Blaser .270 Win barrel.  I might buy it and then "piece together" an R93 as I can afford the parts.

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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 04:03:58 AM »
Hmmm it seems that Germany is breaking thier CIP membership agreement then I wondr why?

     The R93 is a superb rifle even if it's strange at first. I have shot several and all were very accurate  ;D. Walt sold his R93 to het the Mannlicher GK as he could have both and could not afford the Mannlicher without doing so. The modular system of the R93 Blaser makes you plan very feasible indeed.

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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 04:21:09 AM »
I really like the R93 except for the difficulty of rapidly loading the magazine.  I've shot a .308 with the fluted barrel and composite stock that is a one-hole gun.  Shot sub-moa with a .375 H&H that had the wood stock.  I was impressed.  My wife isn't impressed with the price though...  It took a few minutes of working the bolt to get used to the action.  It's hard to grab the bolt and run it back and forth WITHOUT trying to crank it up and down Mauser style.  It's a nice action, really smooth once you get used to the motion...


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Re: Finally shot a good rifle...
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 04:23:33 AM »
Hmmm never had a problem wiht the action of the bolt .......... but then I happen to like straight pulls  ;D I have a Mauser M96 Slide Bolt in 6.5x55 and used to have a M95 Steyr and until last week also had a Schmidt Rubin Mdl 1889. One day I will have a nice M10 or M1910 Ross in .280 as well  ;)

    Hmmm women  ??? they never seem to baulk at the prices of fashion stuff like bags and shoes though  :-\