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My first "Custom" Handi project...just because...
« on: February 18, 2007, 09:23:01 AM »
I have a very nice Grey/Black Monte Lam stock that's left-over from an abandoned Rem 597 "heavy barrel" project. I got to looking at it this weekend and figured "what the ____  might as well cut it here...and there...I mentioned it in my post looking for a SS recvr which I now know is Nickel. Anyway I was asked to post a pic or two before I whack it so...here we go.

I think I've thought this out but...any ideas or things to beware of couldn't hurt. I'm going to pay particular attention to the recvr bolt channel angle...   
Thanks in advance...

Ken  ;D

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Re: My first "Custom" Handi project...just because...
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2007, 09:26:35 AM »
I have a gray lam Marlin 917VS stock that I want to do the same thing to, if you figure out how to drill the stock bolt hole centered, let me know!!

thx,

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Re: My first "Custom" Handi project...just because...
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2007, 09:29:59 AM »
to both ken and quick good luck to you both.more than i would try.
hope it works out

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Re: My first "Custom" Handi project...just because...
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2007, 09:36:51 AM »
Tim....my plan is to use a lathe....just trying to get a jig set up for alignment right now...I still haven't made any cuts but plan to do that pretty soon....I'm basically whackin' the 597 recvr cavity out of it and shaping it from there....I won't do the drilling til last... ;D

I'm hoping to hear from some of the guys before I get too far away...Nascar today tho...isn't there... :o

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Re: My first "Custom" Handi project...just because...
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2007, 10:02:05 AM »
all I can suggest is drill it before making the final cuts to fit the reciever area. Cut it oversize and trim small pieces at a time trying until it fits, no problem taking off not enough, more of a problem to take off to much. Good Luck, makes me think I should look in the used stock barrel at Kittery Trading post for something interesting, thanks for the idea and please keep us posted and please post any hints and things you learn....<><.... ;)
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Re: My first "Custom" Handi project...just because...
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2007, 10:09:53 AM »
Yup...I'm leaving it as long as I can, may even craft a spacer that I will fit and dowel/glue in between the recvr/stock nose....just playing with some ideas...I'm definately excited about the look...function was the intent tho...stay tuned and please don't hesitate to drop your thoughts off along the way....BTW...is this the kinds of things we "retiried folks" do to keep from going crazy???  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :o ;D  Ken

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2007, 10:14:51 AM »
Looks real doable.Drilling the hole will really be the hardest part.Long ways to keep it straight.Another thing I noticed.The cheek rest is on the"wrong"side. ::)Dave
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2007, 10:17:43 AM »
Hi Ken. I have been a carpenter my whole life and not sure I would try it. This is something that would be real easy to screw up and you only get one shot. :o Good luck with it and take some pictures along the way. Ps if everything works out would you want to sell that pretty stock that is on your Ultra now.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2007, 10:38:47 AM »
Your idea does have the wheels spinning for future projects.  I am all "ears" on your progress.

One suggestion I have is to contact a local Woodcraft store (WWW.Woodcraft.com).  There are a few in Michigan.  They have to be one of the more well equiped wood working centers in the country.  The two here in Maryland offer wood working classes in a shop that would rival a Vocational center.  I would think they may be able to offer guidance for drilling the stock bolt channel as well as other issues that may arise.

I shop there for supplies and find the employee's always very helpful.

This project is interesting.  :)

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2007, 10:52:09 AM »
Keep the ideas commin' guys....I'm all ears....Dale I'm not likely to sell my Cinnm's tho if this works out I'm gonna get rid of my Huntsman..... ;D   Glad I've inspired a few of us....BTW...I do have the tools for this....and I know how to run 'em   :o

Dave....funny you said that about the cheek piece..I'm left eyed with a pistol...shoot right with long guns... You just need to look at the negitive view...there's areason why "they" call it the negitive ya know... ::) bet golf from the wrong side too...

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2007, 11:31:37 AM »
i was actually thinking about making my own buttstock this morning, kind of funny that this came up.  I personally think it is pretty doable, but i was thinking about starting with a square blank and drilling the hole first, so that might be a bit easier.   I think with a little work a guy could get the old stock clamped down and a straight hole drilled.  Best of luck to ya.

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2007, 12:24:40 PM »
Don't golf,but i'm left eyed dominate.Right hand on everything except any thing to do with shooting.Do shoot a pistol strong side right,but left eye siting.Have always shot left handed.The"right"side just wont function for me.Feels weird.Dave
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2007, 12:37:46 PM »
I was just givin' you a hard time Dave...have to take a break from measurin', checkin', feelin' this stock for any more ideas, cautions. I'm gonna cut it here pretty quick. I just don't see any real problems. May end up with an adjustable butt plate......that'll really KILL me!  ;D

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2007, 01:06:19 PM »
I have a nice piece of cured cherry that a neighbor gave me thinking that I might make a rifle stock out of it. 

Got to thinking while reading this post and, while it sounds a little "nutty", I thought about using two pieces of about 1/2 the thickness of a stock (oversized to begin) then routing a channel in both pieces to get the large diameter hole and glue them together with a good epoxy glue. 

Boring the short bolt hole shouldn't be a major issue if done before shapeing the stock.

Sounds like a good project for a 45-70 Handi that I have, could even have a Mannlicher style forend!

Roudy

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2007, 01:10:07 PM »
Hmmm, maybe cutting the Laminated stock in half vertically, then doing Roudy's procedure would work!! ???

Thx Roudy!!

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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 01:12:35 PM »
Ken2222, I'll try to explain how I would tackle the bolt bore. (for what that's worth.. ;D) I agree 100% about using the lathe. It will be much easier to attach the sliding jig  you will make and use to pull this off. The center line of the lathe  bed  is true center to the boring you will do.
The first thing I would do, as you have mentioned is cut the new rear stock portion long. I would also make my temporary cut square to the bolt bore so the bit will enter the stock easily, as opposed to trying to bore into an angled cut and risk the bit walking.  If you dont feel you have the extra  length to do this, I'd suggest you cut it at any angle you can, then glue a sacrificial block to the stock that can be cut square to the bolt bore. To determine square to the bolt bore I'd remove the existing rear stock from the receiver, and insert a long dowel rod through the bolt hole. Now lay the old stock with dowel still in it, on the new rear stock, and mark the edge of the dowel (basically trace the edge to make a line) onto the stock with a pencil. You can then use a small square to mark your cut.

Now I would chuck up the long bit into the lathe. Next slide the old stock onto the bit, all of the way, standing on edge, and bottom of stock up.

I'd use 3/4 birch ply to build my jig, starting with a bottom plate of the same width as your lathe bed. Then apply ears on each side, ( the length of the jig base) hanging down on each side of the lathe bed... This is the base for the sliding jig, and it should slide easily on the lathe bed without slop. The length of this base will basically be an inch or so longer than the rear stock.

Now you have 2 areas of your stocks that will basically be the same, pistol grip, and the very end of the butt. With the old stock still scewered on the bit, finish building your jig to completely grip the old stock. I'd suggest you build four " L"  shaped pieces with a 45 degree block glued to hold the " L"s  at 90 degrees. Now attach the four "L" brackets to you sliding jig base in a fashion that sandwiches the sides of  the stock front and rear. I'd also keep the two rear " L" brackets flush to the rear of the sliding base, then conect the to brackets to form a solid rest against the butt. This will keep the stock steady in the jig. You will also have to add blocks to the jig to hold the stock at proper height.

When you install the new stock in your jig you may find the jig too tight or loose. Simply make the adjustments equally to the " L " bracks to remain centered. Once the new stock is in the jig firmly, I'd use some cedar shims, here and there to stiffen things between the stock and jig.

Now your ready, turn on the lathe, and slide the stocked jig towards the bit to bore.
Your on your own fitting to the receiver... ;)

I sure hope this helps, and I'll try to answer any questions if I have you confused.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 01:18:06 PM »
My thoughts have been...and still are...who cares if I miss when I drill? I'll just bed a sleeve at the "corrected" angle and kill two birds with one stone....with a 26" barrel a little "counter weight" was in the plan anyway...I've also "noticed" that if I do this just right I can very nearly bed the recvr in the action cavity that's already there...nobody would even know it's a cheap ol' Handi thats kickin' their butt at the range!  STEALTH HANDI !! Oh Yeah!!   :o ;D

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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 01:31:00 PM »
Ridge...you and I think alike...I have some left over serrated marriages layin' around that I thought of using as my spacer between the recvr and stock face. Worst case, I can change the angle in 1 degree increments....one of em just happens ta be SS...will polish up nice...tho if I bed the recvr like I envision it wouldn't matter...adding some SS to this puppy could look pretty spiffy anyway...add a SS rail, rings and scope....mmmmmmmmmmm..mmmmm  My head is spinnin'
Ridge, we'll be in touch...
Thanks, Keep those ideas commin'
Ken 

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2007, 01:54:05 PM »
Cut it off send it to NEF and have them jig it up and drill it for you ?

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2007, 02:01:31 PM »
Talk about simplifyin' it....now do I want them cuttin' on MY "custom"??? I'll really have to think about that. Would hurtn't to call and ask...maybe as a back-up...

I'm still thinkin' the serrated plates as a formed spacer could do the job...I'd like to get 14 1/2" LOP any way and right now it WANTS to be 13 3/4"....more measurin'....Thanks again. I am considering all of this. Still haven't whacked it.

Ken

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2007, 02:07:40 PM »
Ridge....the best thing about spending the time on the jig is that I'll have it for "other" Handi stock projects  ;D ;D ;D ;D might be a "handi" tool to hang onto....I'm still consuming all that you posted. You put some real thought into that post! Thanks Sir...you re-enforced my thinking and expanded on some areas I wasn't sure of. I'm really gonna try to "stealth" the recvr..as long as I can get in there to work.

Thanks!

Ken

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2007, 03:06:46 PM »
Some folks have alot of time on their hands.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2007, 03:07:18 PM »
Guys....I just posted to buy a SB junk recvr in the NEF Classifieds...hate to beat up a new SB2 to get thru this...I'm lookin' for a junker if anyone has one....

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2007, 03:10:35 PM »
yeah Rod.....just wait til YOU retire.... ;D ;D ;D ;D...  we haven't met yet....but I've been told you are a GREAT guy to get to know....I'm headin' into long range territory, I hear you're the MAN....
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2007, 04:00:32 PM »
Ken,  I've been a custom woodworker for years. Jig making comes with the territory.  If you have any questions about building the jig, send me a private message and I'll email a sketch to you. Plenty of guys have made time to help me out on this site today, and I'll sure help you if I can.
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2007, 04:10:36 PM »
Ridge...I'm always interested in "other" ways of doing things...learning is a good thing...check your pm...

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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2007, 04:12:46 PM »
Ken this project is sounding better and better.Please take some pictures as you get it set up so you can post them when your done..I think the"stealth"look will be killer.I have 2 sportsters and people can believe the cheap gun can out shoot them.Dave
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2007, 04:15:54 PM »
OK guys, I leave for Maine in a few hours, just finish this glass of wine, take a shower, hop in the rack and up and at em' in a couple of hours to beat the Monday morning traffic. I'm all packed and ready to go, I will check the used stock barrel at Kittery Trading Post on the way home, it will be closed as I cruise by tomorrow morning. I hope you have this jig thing all figured out by the time I get back from a few days of coyote hunting, perhaps with a new used stock in my possesion to whack away at. This has been a great thread, thanks to Ken2222 for starting it and for all who contributed....<><.... ;D  
 

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2007, 05:00:57 PM »
GNight Andy......bring back some good prospects...we're gonna need 'em...Hope you smoke all the 'yotes ya want.. ;D

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2007, 07:17:33 PM »
Well....the stock is now in two pieces so this project is underway....I cut the pre-existing "forearm" off which leaves me the original action cavity to try to keep this puppy in the "stealth" mode...I think it's gonna work...pics probably tomorrow if I get the jig built....

Ken   ;D  This is gonna be cool!  8)