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Offline Gdbyrd

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Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« on: February 07, 2007, 04:21:16 PM »
Are custom barrels really worth the green?  For a 15" barrel in SST it'd be around 400$, yet I can get a factory barrel in the same caliber from Midsouth or EABCO for around 250ish...is the quality really worth that much money?  I remember seeing that post about the differences between stock and custom and I don't remember seeing a whole lot.

Also, just for memories sake each 1" you lose on a barrel equates to around 100 fps right?  As in from 12"-15" would be a decrease in 300 fps?  Also, some calibers do about the same in short barrels as in long ones right?

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 03:26:54 AM »
 Because nobody else has answered your question on custom barrels I'll take a shot at it. The real question is not are they worth the cost, but are they worth it to the person buying them. I don't mean that as a smart a$$, so don't take it that way. Over the years I have bought used barrels really cheap that shot with the most expensive barrels. I have also bought custom barrels from several of the custom makers, and I make my own sometimes, usually in wildcats. Would I have a custom barrel made again? Yes in a heart beat if it was something I wanted. Custom barrels are like cars, motorcycles, and anything else you can have custom work done on. It is a personal thing you do for your own personal reasons. Wildcats, and custom guns are the same way, why spend thousands for a custom when you can get a plain Jane factory number for a fraction of the cost. Because that is what you want, and the good thing about living in this country is that is all the reason you need. On cutting a barrel and velocity loss, Bullberry usually post results from different barrels he shoots and cuts  1" at a time down to handgun length. Some times the results don't follow a set rule of thumb. May not be the answers you were looking for, but hope it helps. Good luck with whatever your looking for, maybe someone else will give you a better answer.

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 05:10:58 AM »
To me I believe they are worth the cost. I have 3 Bullberry barrels and 2 MGM barrels and no T/C barrels. I think that with the custom route you have better odds of getting a better quality product. You may find factory barrels that shoot exceptionally well and you may get a custom barrel that shoots poorly. When the custom barrel does not shoot well odds are the maker will make it right. If your factory barrel shoots into 2 inches (which really is not bad but we are all obsessed with MOA!) T/C will tell you it is fine. The better makers guaranty better accuracy. I think it just increases your odds to go the custom route. Of course not everyone will agree but that is my 2 cents.

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 05:12:30 AM »
I forgot to add to not overlook the EABCO accuracy barrels. I have only examined two and they shoot extremely well and are reasonably priced.

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 05:19:47 AM »
I'm not going to get in the middle of the stock/custom controversy because it's a very personal thing, but I can speak a little to the  velocity/barrel length issue.  In the range of barrel length you are talking about, I think you'll see something more like 50-75 fps/inch of barrel length.  It might be a little more for rifle calibers like .204 Ruger or .223 Remington, and it would almost certainly be on the low end or even less for straight walled cartridges, but this should get you in the ball park.

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2007, 05:33:15 AM »
I don't have any truly custom barrels at this time.  I do have a couple of Fox Ridge barrels, and a bunch of TC barrels.  I have never had a bad one, but some I have had to do some work to get them to shoot (loading etc.).  I would say that if you want a custom barrel then get one.  Is it necessary? If you can get one off the shelf that fits your needs (length, twist, material, caliber, etc. you may be fine with that.  Or it could be that you just want a custom barrel then you should get one.  There are some fine custom makers out there.  This is a hobby, and we need to do what makes us happy.
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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2007, 02:13:06 PM »
As mentioned no hard and fast rule on fps lost/gained in barrel lengths.
From the 14"-17" barrels I will 30-40 fps per inch difference and under 14" it becomes more fps lost, but I have never personally seen 100fps say between a 12" and a 13" barrel.
Some factory barrels are incredibly accurate, others are not.
If accuracy/little bitty groups is your passion get a custom and cry once :'( in terms of money but long term satisfaction in terms of performance/accuracy.
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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2007, 04:07:45 AM »
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Also, just for memories sake each 1" you lose on a barrel equates to around 100 fps right?  As in from 12"-15" would be a decrease in 300 fps?  Also, some calibers do about the same in short barrels as in long ones right?
How about hard data rather than someone's wild guess?  From Guns&Ammo, June 1988:

Cartridge.......14"...13".....12".....11"....10"
.223 Rem....2970..2913..2859...2766..2649
.30-30 Win..2045..1992..1940...1899..1825
.357 Mag....1844............1797...1768..1736
.44 Mag......1556............1498...1495..1451


G&A September 1987:
Cartridge.....18".....17"....16".....15"....14"....13".....12"....11"
.308 Win...2550...2530..2480..2450..2400..2360..2305..2250

You do the math.

I have four custom Contender barrels from Bullberry and SSK - they all shoot better than any of the 12 factory barrels I currently own.  For consistent groups well under 1 moa - go custom (if you can shoot that well).  Factory barrels may do very well, or not - T/C chambers them on a drill press!  :o
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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2007, 05:34:25 AM »
LS,
Good info.
Thanks.
Most of mine have come from 308 Win capacity and larger.
But I never chopped barrels ;D
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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 07:42:09 AM »
I've been trying to get ahold of Bullberry for the past couple days..yesterday I called them about every 10-30 minutes..and have yet to not hear a busy signal.  It says on their site that they're very busy and to expect this..but that sucks.....if it's this hard for me to order a barrel...it makes me worry that if I have problems with it or not getting it..getting ahold of them would be even harder.

Anyone know of a better way to get ahold of them?  Or have any experience with their customer service?  I don't have access to a fax machine.

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2007, 09:06:47 AM »
I have bought from Fred before.  He always made right any problems.
My preference would be Paul Dustin at Coyote, Mike Sirois OTT or MGM.
By all means order from and get exactly what you want, not what someone else want or they have in stock.
It is worth the wait.
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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2007, 08:25:22 AM »
Are custom barrels really worth the green?...

My opinion is this:

If I can find the barrel/caliber I want from the usual makers, I buy it.  So far I have not been disappointed and I saved some money.

However if id did buy one that refused to shoot to my standard, I would simply trade it off and get another.

When I want a wildcat or non-standard caliber (that is not made by the factories) I go to a custom maker.

That is why I have a Bullberry 458 Win Mag barrel for my Encore.

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Re: Bullberry and others..worth the $$?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 04:05:21 PM »
Custom barrels from quality makers are worth the bucks. I ordered a 223 from Bullberry last year. Fred sent me the barrel and it "wiggled" on my frame. I put it on my shootin buddy's Contender frame and it did the same. I called Bullberry and they said send it back. They checked it and said it was fine...send my frame. Then they said my frame was junk. Then I said keep the barrel and give me my frame back. Fred screamed at me. Yeah....screamed like a bi-polar whack job. He finally agreed to refund me my money. He sent my frame back....all scratched up from Fred's amature attempt to mash it and force his bad barrel to fit.

Oh, I bot a factory T\C and it shoots one ragged hole at 100 yards on this "junk frame", and locks up tighter than a tick on a dog. But it took me some time to find the load to get this. A custom would shoot this way "out of the box."

Buy a custom barrel from anyone but Bullberry. He's a whack.

Dave.