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Sixpack · « **on:** February 05, 2007, 03:09:40 PM »

any bolt action, production rifle, what would you get up to about $1,000.00? Seems alot are unhappy with Remington lately (mine seem to be fine), some don't like Browning, and poor ole Winchester is gone, so where does that leave us? Specifically, I've been looking at the CZ's but am open to any opinions.

wink_man · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2007, 04:25:42 PM »

Hard decision, but for sure it wouldn't be a new Remington today for me. While I was always a big fan of Remington, and am happy with my Remington bolt actions, the guns I have were manufactured in the 70's, & early 80's. I feel Remington has gone way downhill since they came out from under the DuPont umbrella, nowadays they seem to have to many bean counters in their corporate offices and not enough good machinists in Ilion NY. But I am digressing.
Being a remnant ot the 60's(when guns were made of blued steel and walnut), I'd do one of 2 things. I'd look for an older used 700 in pristine condition, and if I couldn't find the caliber I wanted, I'd order a new Stevens 200 or Savage 110. I'd throw the plastic stock away, and go to the website of Great American Gunstocks, find a superb piece of walnut in their bargain section, do the final fitting to the rifle and the finishing myself. Then I'd look on ebay for a nice redfield traditional scope to put on it. But thats just me.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2007, 04:32:06 PM »

I would buy a ANOTHER CZ and the take the remaining $450 and buy a high quality scope.

Even if CZ's didn't shoot fantasticlly (which they do) they would still be well worth the money based on the fit , finish and that wonderfull single set trigger alone. IMOP The CZ by far has the best trigger you can get on a "production" rifle.

Sixpack · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2007, 04:41:36 PM »

Thanks for the replies wink man and krochus. I pretty much have it narrowed down to between the CZ and a Sako 75. The only problem is I don't know if the Sako will stay in my price range. By the CZ website, it looks like the CZ's are a little heavy. But its not much heavier than my 700 BDl so that shouldn't be a problem. I just want something a little different. That pretty much rules out the Rem, Ruger, and Browning,

Now, i've gotta get to the gunshop this week.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2007, 04:56:48 PM »

Quote from: Sixpack on February 05, 2007, 04:41:36 PM

Thanks for the replies wink man and krochus. I pretty much have it narrowed down to between the CZ and a Sako 75. The only problem is I don't know if the Sako will stay in my price range. By the CZ website, it looks like the CZ's are a little heavy. But its not much heavier than my 700 BDl so that shouldn't be a problem. I just want something a little different. That pretty much rules out the Rem, Ruger, and Browning,

Now, i've gotta get to the gunshop this week.

What caliber do you have in mind? The CZ550 is a little overweight I agree. But the CZ527 is just a dandy for a light mini length bolt action. You can get the 527 in cartriges such as 7.62x39 , .223 , 222 , 17rem, 22 horner and .221fireball.

Zachary · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2007, 05:01:41 PM »

In the $1,000 class, it would be either Sako or Kimber.

In the mid-priced range, it would be Tikka.

Zachary

Sixpack · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2007, 05:06:34 PM »

Quote from: krochus on February 05, 2007, 04:56:48 PM

Quote from: Sixpack on February 05, 2007, 04:41:36 PM
Thanks for the replies wink man and krochus. I pretty much have it narrowed down to between the CZ and a Sako 75. The only problem is I don't know if the Sako will stay in my price range. By the CZ website, it looks like the CZ's are a little heavy. But its not much heavier than my 700 BDl so that shouldn't be a problem. I just want something a little different. That pretty much rules out the Rem, Ruger, and Browning,

Now, i've gotta get to the gunshop this week.

What caliber do you have in mind? The CZ550 is a little overweight I agree. But the CZ527 is just a dandy for a light mini length bolt action. You can get the 527 in cartriges such as 7.62x39 , .223 , 222 , 17rem, 22 horner and .221fireball.

The plain old vanilla 30-06. I just can't get away from it.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:20:25 AM »

Quote from: Sixpack on February 05, 2007, 05:06:34 PM

Quote from: krochus on February 05, 2007, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: Sixpack on February 05, 2007, 04:41:36 PM
Thanks for the replies wink man and krochus. I pretty much have it narrowed down to between the CZ and a Sako 75. The only problem is I don't know if the Sako will stay in my price range. By the CZ website, it looks like the CZ's are a little heavy. But its not much heavier than my 700 BDl so that shouldn't be a problem. I just want something a little different. That pretty much rules out the Rem, Ruger, and Browning,

Now, i've gotta get to the gunshop this week.

What caliber do you have in mind? The CZ550 is a little overweight I agree. But the CZ527 is just a dandy for a light mini length bolt action. You can get the 527 in cartriges such as 7.62x39 , .223 , 222 , 17rem, 22 horner and .221fireball.

The plain old vanilla 30-06. I just can't get away from it.

I know I shouldn't do this but I have to know. What calibre would you get that 30-06 in??

Savage .250 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:31:32 AM »

Quote from: Sixpack on February 05, 2007, 03:09:40 PM

any bolt action, production rifle, what would you get up to about $1,000.00? Seems alot are unhappy with Remington lately (mine seem to be fine), some don't like Browning, and poor ole Winchester is gone, so where does that leave us? Specifically, I've been looking at the CZ's but am open to any opinions.

I`d start at the local Gun-show and "look" for anything made prior to 1964 when gun "quality" was at it`s best ,IMO.
As quality is the issue rather than cal I`d say the PRE years give you the best bang for your buck. Plus, those early guns
seem to be going up in value as time moves on .........condition being the biggest deciding factor of course.
New vs Old. Quality vs production.
Granted some guns manufactured today are made quite well and cost a ton but IMO the real Quality, hand crafted,
sought after (again quality) were guns made before 1964. Just my opinion.

Prophet · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2007, 04:49:39 AM »

The Kimber Classic would be in your price range and it has fine walnut finish and great bluing. Try one I think you will love the fit, the feel , the trigger and the accuracy.

trophytaker308 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2007, 05:04:44 AM »

remington mountain lss,or the Ti. model,they are some fine rifles......

beemanbeme · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2007, 06:06:15 AM »

I think its an absolute hoot to read someone trashing Remington's Quality and then suggesting that you buy a Savage or a Stevens. Oh, that's right. Most accurate out of the box. ROFLMAO!

Remington still makes a fine weapon. I have a model 7 on order from the custom shop and last year I bought two: a 30-06 (of course) and a XR-100 that has yet to be beaten by any of those "most accurate out of the box" savages.

Actually, I'm not recommending anyone buy anything. My suggestion is to go to a well stocked gun shop and have the clerk lay the several choices out on the counter. Look at and handle each one; one of them will whisper "buy me". Problem solved.

7x57mm · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2007, 08:26:14 AM »

Sixpack: I am a diehard CZ fan. In that light, however, I would recommend you take the advice of Beemanbeme and throw up some rifles you might be interested in getting. Yes, my CZ 550 American is a tad heavy. All up, with four in the magazine and one up the snout, it weighs 9 pounds. The accuracy of it, however, force me to look well beyond the weight. The single-set trigger is fantastic. The blueing is deep and beautiful. The stock, well, some come with little or no figure, some come in a box looking like a custom rifle and some have just nice looking wood. I refinished my stock because there was a really pretty piece of wood hiding under that elephant-snot finish CZ uses on its stocks. I just think that CZ offers one whale of a bang for the buck. If you do decide to go CZ, you might also consider the CZ 550 Full Stock in .30/06. Those have a 20.5 inch barrel and look really neat. My little bro owns one in 7x57mm and that thing is SWEET. To me, the CZ stocks do not feel like a club, but are well proportioned handles. If you do go with CZ, I think you will be more than satisfied. You might also price them at Whittaker Guns. Go to whittakerguns.com and check out the prices there. You can order via an FFL holder in your area. The only drawback there, you won't be able to pick-and-choose to get the stock with the best figure in it. While I agree with Beemanbeme to heft rifles in a gunshop, I also wholeheartedly agree with krochus ... buy CZ! Tom P

The Sodbuster · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2007, 11:49:34 AM »

$1,000 eh? I haven't priced 'em for awhile, but last I checked you could get a new, lefty Sako 75 for $900 and change. One of those in .30-06 would make a nice rifle for an African plains game safari (hey, I can dream, can't I?). Sixpack, go with the CZ if you like, I hear good things about 'em, but since they discontinued the CZ-USA, I don't think they make anything for lefties anymore (I believe the CZ-USAs were built around Montana Rifleman barreled actions).

By the way, beemanbeme, what does ROFLMAO stand for?

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:00:44 PM »

I'd have to think long and hard about the Kimber 8400 in 30-06. I've looked at the CZ's, and they seem like a quality arm, but they just don't seem to talk to me the right way. Another option you have it getting an used rifle and having it rebarreled and restocked. You've probably end up with a better shooting gun too. ER Shaw can rebarrel and reblue for about $300 or so, and there's a shop in Ohio (the name escapes me right now) that uses Douglas barrels for about the same price, and you can get complete barreled actions from them too. I almost bought a barreled action from them.....Interarms Mark X, #3 contour fluted 30-06, 23", parkerized, lapped and squared for $650. Add a Bell and Carlson Medalist stock for $250 and you're still under a grand.

ROFLMAO--rolling on floor laughing my a-- off

beemanbeme · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:38:52 PM »

My hat is off to 7x57. He posted what his choice was and told the good and bad points about his rifle. He never once tried to make his rifle look better by trashing someone else's choice or making vague, unsubstanciated comments like: well, their QA has slipped lately, etc. When we are making suggestions or offering help to someone, I think we should all try to be more like him. I know I am going to.

Sixpack · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2007, 05:13:24 PM »

First of all, I would like to thank everyone for the honest responses. I know the question I asked was loaded but that is what makes sites like this fun ... the opinions! I also would like to thank everyone for there own experiences with different rifles.

I did however find my way into the local gunshop this evening and I did just what 7X57 suggested... I tried everything I liked including the Sako 75 and 85. It was my understanding that the 75 is to be discontinued and the only one they had was a 7-08. A good caliber but not what I had in mind. It felt good but the 75's price tag for the Hunter model was $1,079.00. I don't know if it is worth that much more or not but it did feel good. They did not have a CZ (danggit) so I could not do a comparision like I wanted. They did have a vast assortment of different model Remington 700's and 7's (which still feel as good as anything), Ruger M 77's ( I still like this one too) and Browning ABolts. So, for now, I'm still looking at as many and hefting all I can get my hands on to see if there is anything out there I like better. Now, if I can just find a CZ...

BTW, I guess I should have noted on the first post that I already have 2 Rem 700's, a Ruger M77MKII, a TC Encore, and a Handi Rifle. I love all of them, have had no issues other than adjusting the triggers, and they are more accurate than I am. I just was thinking about something a little different.

7x57mm · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2007, 08:08:00 PM »

Sixpack: to save yourself some legwork, you might give CZ-USA a telephone call on its 1-800 telephone number and ask for the dealer closest to where you live. Let them know that you are interested in one and want to take a hard look at one before any hard cash gets put down anywhere. They might even have a dealer locater thing on the CZ website. Good luck in your quest and let us know what you decided upon. Tom P

jvs · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2007, 08:18:46 PM »

Your next step could be to get to a mid-winter gun show and start picking up some of the pre-owned, older babies out there.

You could pick up one of those pre-owned all decked out, with all the extras for under your upper price limit.

They may not be new, and they may not be fancy, but they shoot and they were put together by the generation that is quickly fading away.

The value is there.

Sixpack · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2007, 04:42:20 PM »

Well, after several more gun shops and lots more looking, I have come to the conclusion that I still like the way the Ruger and Remington feel. I know they will need a trigger job (and in the case of the Ruger, a new Timney) but that ain't bad. The ones I have or had all shot acceptable to me so unless something unforseeable comes along, I have no complaints with getting another of either. I am waiting on the new Hawkeye and a Rem with their new trigger before I buy anything though. Gonna go to a gun show soon and check it out too.

IMO, the Sako is a fine rifle but I don't know that it is worth the extra $$$. And we're not talking about a few $$$ but more like $4-500 more. I just don't see that happening. As for as the CZ goes, I'm waiting until I can hold a 550. The nearest dealer is over 100 miles from me so it may be awhile.

Thanks for all the input!

Eagle Eye · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2007, 04:38:33 AM »

In Canada, $1000 will get you a very nice Remington XCR and that would be my choice. Down in the USA, a grand would likely buy a Sako 75 and that would get my attention.