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« on: May 06, 2003, 02:41:59 PM »
On another post I said that I would post a report on my Howa 1500 when I went to the range, so here we go.

Rifle:  Howa 1500 270 Winchester, stainless steel, 22" barrel.  I purchased just the action/barrel and not the stock.  Price:  360.39

Stock:  Bell & Carlson Medalist, Gray with Black Spiderweb.  As integral
           bedding system, CNC machined out of aircraft grade 6061, barrel
           is free floating, Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad.
                                                                    Price:   233.00

Cartridge:  270 Winchester, I reloaded myself.  New R-P brass which was
                 beveled inside/outside neck.  Nosler 130 gr. BT, powder was
                 55.0 grs. of H4831SC and OAL was 3.400.

Scope:   I put on a Cabela's Alaskan Guide 3.5X10AO with 44mm,
             1/4" MOA and 3.1" eye relief. This is an excellent scope for
             the money, can hold its own.            Price:   219.00 + TAX

Range Report:

1.  200 yards (not 100 yds)
2.  9:30 am.  Blue skys/sunshine, 64 F.  Wind at 6:00 o'clock at 5 MPH
3.  Had bore sighted my scope at home, but at to make some adjustments
     with several shots, but after zeroing my rifle in at 200 yards with point
     of aim, point of impact with the X ring, the next 7 shots were for
     record.

RESULTS:  7 straight shots at 3"X ring and all 7 shots in the X-ring.  total
                group for seven shots were:

                1.750 inches, I would have had 1.250 inches, put I threw one
                out a little bit, but still in the x-ring which open up my group
                to 1.750 inches.

Comments:  If we were shooting in competition, they would they I had
                   a competitive rifle.  Anytime you can shoot 1 3/4" groups
                   (7 shots) at 200 yds., the rifle is during its job, no matter
                   what you paid for it.  Its going to make a great hunting
                   rifle and its a real keeper.

I try to give you an overview of how much money I have in the rifle and what you could expect to pay for the entire rig.  The fit and finish on this rifle is excellent, but not perfect.  Howa could have finish a little better on the inside the trigger guard (machine marks) and the bolt release on the left side of the receiver is a little stiffl, has a two position safety which is very smooth, the trigger pull is 3 lbs. with very little creep.  Both creep and pull can be adjusted by a set of screws held by lock nuts.  Bolt action is very smooth.  I would recommend this rifle to anyone looking for a quality rifle in this price range.  I don't think you can find one that can shoot better at twice the price or three times the price.

All prices are take home prices with tax included.  Bell and Carlson stocks can be purchased from Lock, Stock and Barrel.

dbuck

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2003, 03:02:58 PM »
Dbuck:  I am glad to hear your rifle is doing what you wanted it to do, as I have stated on the howa it is just a nice rifle and I like mine also, good report enjoy. :D   JIM

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2003, 04:11:46 PM »
Dbuck,  
The Howa is not my most favorite rifle, and not anywhere near the most expensive,  but,  it is the most accurate one I own.  It is the laminated varmint in 22.250.  The darn thing just shoots.  Sounds like you set it up right.  Glad to hear your good fortune.  

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2003, 11:04:13 PM »
I think that's a good one, Dbuck :-)
But i'm not in the same boat with you if you can not find others brand shoot that well with twice or three times the price (in term of yours).

Let say this in "out of the box accuracy"...and not the "same caliber".

I can shoot a Steyr SSG-P2 (.308) a 1-2" easily in 300meters(=328yards)-5shots with "only" factory sniper match ammo MEN-168gr-hpbt, not the reload one. My best was 0.8...". And that's also an "out of the box accuracy" rifle, just same thing you did with the trigger...down the trigger pull, but it was set to a crisp 0,6lb pull (double set).

Let me say other. My Brno Zbrojovka (98'er action) that i rebarreled to a .308 (from8x57JS) shoot easily 0,4"-3shots and 0,7"-5shots at 100meters. It also shots 1-2" easily at 300meters-3shots and being larger with 5-10shots(because its barrel). My best was 0,7..."-3shots-300meters.
I didn't shoot at 200 because no "event" here, just 100 and 300meter.
Note: that's a FN's military barrel-semi auto one! 20" and 10twist. I reamer it from 30.06 to a .308. It also had a small gas port around 2,5" from the muzzle, but i "close" it with a small thread and "covered" the old thin barrel with "stainless tube" along the barrel. It's now 1.2" at the shoulder-2,5"straight-and tappered down to 0,7" at the muzzle. Not a bull barrel, "just heavier barrel than light hunting barrel". Of course it was not a "good" barrel. Just a cheap mil surplus barrel! (though i called it "sleeper").
I build it all myself, trued and lapped the action and bolt, re-thread barrel, re-chamber, headspacing, crowning, cut the lock time (by shorten its pin travel, so far not yet use lighter firing pin and stonger spring because i still don't have the items), set the trigger down to a consistent 0,5lb (also double set trigger, so far), and with a custom stock i made myself, free foated and full bed the reciever plus 1" under the shoulder.
Perhaps it cost "higher" in your country for a customized rifle like this, but in my side it cost "nothing" since i did it myself. (Just a little money for an old action + barrel cost + overhead cost).
I don't know it is fair or not to compare.....But what i want to say is, As long as your entire rifle is "center/axis", "square", "well fitted" (and well scoped), and use the right ammo.....i'm 100% sure it will shoot accurate or even very accurate! (in term "sub-moa").
No need to say using a good barrel and action, it must be More accurate!.

My Carl Walter in .22H also shoot sub-moa now. Just using the right factory ammos and not much "customized".
Some of my friend's rifle that i help "customize" it, also shoot under 1" at 100, once again just use a right factory ammo and existing or military light barrel (Rem700,Mauser'98,and even very old SMLE).
A Sauer of one of my friend (and some other brands like Sako,Voere,Anchutz,Rem,Winchester,etc) also shoot good. I've seen and tried some myself. Some of them are "tack divers".
I don't know exactly for the price of some of them. But here in my country, every imported items are twice-three times for the price.

Oh ya, i'm not telling you that i'm good or so. No, Even i just "a beginner" (i only around 3years in rifle, 1year in target shooting-recently, and i have NO experiences in Reloading so far!...That's why i like "internet forum" like this site, because i like and can learn and have a tons of good info, sharing, etc...:oops:)....It just the fact (IMO) that it is about "Fits of the gun", and Not "the price".
I mean it is possible the lower price rifle is more "better accuracy" than the higher one, or vise versa. Not always an expensive rifle will shoot better than a cheaper one (though in fact, mostly they are- because of the quality).

Just my 2 cents...
Sorry if i was wrong. :oops:
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2003, 03:57:01 AM »
Sebastian, when I was doing the range report I was comparing my Howa 1500 which is out of the box to certain over the counter rifles that we purchase in this country, namely Browning, Remington, Savage, Ruger,
Tikka's, CZ, Winchester which are also out of the box and comparing retail prices for them.

I have a Remington 700 BDL in 7-08 that is five years old that will shoot just like this Howa 1500 (Its a real keeper).  If you will look at some of the topics in this forum you will see alot of talk about quality control among various manufacturers and experiences that different shooters have had with their rifles good and bad so the rest of us shooters can learn from their experience.

This was manufactured as a hunting rifle, not a competition rifle.  Any hunting rifle no matter who the manufacture is that will shoot 1 3/4" groups with 7 shots at 200 yds. is a keeper unless that person just doesn't like the feel or looks of it.

What I have read and my experience with my Howa 1500 only, Sako Tikka's and Howa's make pretty good rifles for the money along with Savage rifles.  Zachary swears by these Tikka's and I'm waiting on one to come in now to my gun dealer.  I'm sure I will purchase it.

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2003, 04:07:08 AM »
Quote from: dbuck

This was manufactured as a hunting rifle, not a competition rifle.  Any hunting rifle no matter who the manufacture is that will shoot 1 3/4" groups with 7 shots at 200 yds. is a keeper unless that person just doesn't like the feel or looks of it.


dbuck,

You are absolutely right.  That Howa was made as a hunting rifle, but if it shoots 1.75" groups at 200 yards then, well, it is definately a keeper!  

My philosphy is that you can never have too much accuracy in a hunting rifle.

Zachary