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Offline eskimo36

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218 Bee or 221 FB?
« on: January 22, 2007, 07:38:32 AM »
I just picked up a 22 lr barrel to rechamber.  I am torn between the 218 bee and the 221 fireball (rimmed or rimless). I am way past the point of practicallity so don't tell me I should have bought a 223.....

Any opinions?  (That can be a scary question around here.)
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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 07:44:41 AM »
I'd go with the rimmed case,218 bee.Now that would bee a fun gun in the handi !
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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 07:54:34 AM »
 I am not sure but I think 22 LR barrel is 222 in bore you probly need
 22 Mag to camber to 218 Bee or 221 FB. I think that Stimpy is
 going to for his 218 bee I would check with a gun smith. I think I would go with 221 F B Then 223 ejecter / ejector for the Fire Ball. I don't what ejecter tou would use for 218 Bee. just my 2 cents. Marv.                                                                        

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 07:56:20 AM »
eskimo36

First thing you need to do is slug the barrel to see if it will work as a doner barrel , my 22 mag was .224 so i sent it off to be done in 218 BEE , i picked the bee because i like rimmed cases in the handi platform better than the rim-less .
 
And i think that the Bee is kind of a cute little round for p-dogs and the brass was easy to get , not cheap but i can buy new Win. brass for it .

As far as which is better  , its 6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other , the BEE wins in Muzzle Velocity and Muzzle Energy , but the 221 wins in Ave. bullet weight at 50 VS 44 for the BEEand the 221 has a larger case cap. 19 for the Bee and 24 for the 221 .

hope this helps

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:D If i can,t stop it with 6 it can,t be stopped

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 08:08:45 AM »
I just figure H&R uses the same 22 barrel for everything, as bore size tolerant as they are  ;)...but i am going to slug it. to be sure.
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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2007, 09:16:03 AM »
I had a Hornet that was rechambered to 218 and it was lots of fun--easy to find a good load and plenty powerful for PDs--40 gn Vmax bullets chronied 2800fps using 4227 powder.  Sold it to a guy who wanted it way more than I did, judging by what he offered and paid me for it.  I've often thought that if I were to do it again I'd go with a Fireball instead of the BEE, especially since I now have BEEs in a Marlin M94 and Ruger #1.  Another point, my converted hornet needed shimming after several thousand warm loads.

I've also considered starting with a rimfire barrel for a rechamber project thinking I'd be able to buy a whole new rifle cheaper than I could buy a Hornet barrel.  I still haven't made up my mind on this--here's a few reasons I still can't decide if it's a good idea or not.  I'm thinking about the 22 magnum ultra barrel.

I'm at least as concerned about the twist of the rimfire barrel as the bore--if it's tight, like 222 or 221, you'd just use less powder to get the same pressure since the bullets will swage down the extra couple of thousandths and still fly straight--the 1-in-16 twist is potentially a bigger factor--you may be limited to the lighter bullets(under 50 grains).  I know my bee, which I never knew what twist it was, got the best performance and accuracy with 40 grain bullets.  My current Hornet and 22 Jet are both doing their best with the 35Vmax bullets, I haven't checked but their twist rate should be 1-in-12.   


The 221 case is probably more efficient, and a more inherently accurate design--judging strictly by the success  the PPC and BR-style cases  are having in CF benchrest competition.  It would be a great choice if the efficiency, extra case capacity(and muzzle blast) can be realized. 

It could also be true that the slower twist would stabilize 50-55 grain bullets just fine, the only way to know is to try it and find out, you might get lucky. 

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 10:49:26 AM »
How about a 219 zipper, I know that wan't one of the option but a rimmed case, just a thought

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 11:37:53 AM »
218bee gets my nod i had a 22hornet done that way and it works great ,

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 12:49:22 PM »
I'll be different----------------------221 Fireball. Very accurate round ;D

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 01:02:18 PM »
I'd like to have a barrel in .225 Winchester.

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 02:11:50 PM »
Is your barrel a micro grove or button rifled? I am under the impresion that the newer 22 long rifle barrels were micro groved and did'nt think it would be as good maybe it dosent matter I don't know.
BTW: I would go with the bee always wanted one. I was always told that the fireball is a barrel burner atleast in a dog town.

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 03:19:13 PM »
I am about to decide that i need to get another barrel and do both....
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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2007, 03:35:05 PM »
I am about to decide that i need to get another barrel and do both....

Now that's a true Handiholic's decision!! ;D

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Re: 218 Bee or 221 FB?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2007, 03:44:51 PM »

 Hello LEO, I did a 219 zipper from hornett barrel, Shoots a lot better than the
 Hornett. had it at the 2 P dog shoots in oklahoma. Marv.