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Wal-mart getting out of the gun business?
« on: January 21, 2007, 08:14:34 AM »
What's going on here? I've been told by many folks that Wal-mart is not going to sell guns any longer.
 The stories range from Wal-mart was sued in Indiana because someone bought a shotgun there and killed his family  to, Wal-mart wants to lose their so called redneck image so as to compete with yuppie, suburbanite, type stores such as Target.
 I heard these stories from Wal-mart employees and common folks.
 News travels slow here in the hills and I don't get to town but once or twice a month to get my necessities; salt, gunpowder, snuff, (for the wife) and fatback so does anyone have any information about this?
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 08:22:51 AM »
This was posted at MarlinOwners:

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Here is what I got. I spoke with a Gentleman named Doug at the firearms center at Walmart HQ. About 1000 Walmart stores will still sell guns. Much has been made about customer demands. So if your Walmart does not have gun sales make it known to the local manager and write to Walmart HQ, have your friends write and tell the local manager. If there is enough customer demands they may put firearms back into those stores. They are still evaluating which stores will carry firearms. So if your store still has them, make it known that you want to keep it that way.

If stores do not sell firearms they can not special order firearms. They do not have FFL's at those locations.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 08:54:31 AM »
I asked my local Walmart here in Southern Indiana and they said they plan on continuing selling guns as before. They just remodeled the gun area and now have all firearms behind the counter in a single gun rack with glass doors. Nothing has changed here in my area.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 11:24:02 AM »
Only certain ones. Not all. At least not yet.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 02:21:11 PM »
    The Indiana , Pa. store did the same thing, moved the guns behind the counter thing, and I think it really sucks!! Used to like to spin the guns around and get a good look at `em. Oh well, guess they call it better marketing! :-\

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 06:01:16 PM »
Is there a list of the stores that are discontinuing firearms sales ?
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 05:12:31 AM »
The walmarts where I live seem to have quite a few less guns for sale. Like they are not selling any more.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 10:29:15 AM »
Out of the 4 closest to me, 3 still sell guns, and one doesn't anymore.  The one that doesn't is the 2nd newest of the 4.  I used to work for Wal-mart, and it is probably a sales volume issue.  Most things with Wal-Mart are.

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 12:53:58 PM »
I used to work for Wal-mart, and it is probably a sales volume issue.  Most things with Wal-Mart are.

Yes it is, and they said so last year.

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 02:44:22 PM »
This is the worst thing that could happen in your area.  Our Walmart quit selling guns and the local gunshop raised prices the next week.  Walmart was the only thing that kept prices down for all of us in gun sales.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 02:52:24 PM »
Well, I know a few gun dealers that had to close their doors because there was no way to compete with Wal-Mart. There were at least 5 shops with 15 miles that closed.  Lost their lively hoods. 

Then you couldn't find any reloading stuff, any guns different than what was on Wal-Marts rack, hardly any handguns at all.  If you wanted a rifle that was anything other than .243, .270, or 30-06, you were about out of luck.The only local dealer that did stay open raised his prices on the non Wal-Mart items about 25%.  Now maybe some of them can get going again.  I'll pay a little extra to help the independent guys.  It's nice to have somewhere to go where they actually know something about guns and shooting.

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 03:45:54 PM »
So many small gun shops have given up around here and walmart had nothing to do with it.  More to do with BATF.  Walmart closest to my home has stopped selling rifles/shotguns, pretty much forces me to shop elsewhere.  All that is left, is mostly big box stores like Gander, Bass Pro, and Cabela's, they too only offer the usual calibers along with the latest and greatest (or so some think) WSM and such. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2007, 06:46:55 AM »
Yeah, I'd like to help the small guy out too but my loyalty stops at a certain price.  Our local gun shop is on average about $150 more on any gun than Walmart.   He sells the H&R Survivor 308 for $399.  You can get it at Walmart for a little over $200.  Then you have to put up with his rudeness and ill temper.   My loyalty stops at that point and therfore I run to the big yellow smiley face. :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2007, 07:02:37 AM »
Yeah, I'd like to help the small guy out too but my loyalty stops at a certain price.  Our local gun shop is on average about $150 more on any gun than Walmart.   He sells the H&R Survivor 308 for $399.  You can get it at Walmart for a little over $200.  Then you have to put up with his rudeness and ill temper.   My loyalty stops at that point and therfore I run to the big yellow smiley face. :)

Same thing out here in Az.  My loyalty stops at putting up with rudeness and extravagent pricing - that's when I turn to the Internet for reloading supplies, and purchasing firearms online. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2007, 07:22:24 AM »
I live outside of a farming community of 4,500 people, with a main street business district that isn't doing very well overall.  There is a WalMart supercenter 15 miles west of here, and one 15 miles east of here, so we are right between two of them.  They both sell guns.  One of the few businesses that seem to succeed and sustain in this town is the local gunshop.  He gives good service and takes trades.  Sure, he loses some sales to WalMart, but apparently there is a niche that he fills well, and earns his customers' business with good service.  
There are a lot of small business failures in this town ( at least they don't stay in business long), and WalMart isn't to blame.  Poor customer service, lack of a business plan, unrealistic pricing, owners can't afford medical & pension, and generally poor business practices are some of the reasons.  On the other hand, there have been a few others that do flourish - because of excellent customer service, a good business plan, identifying their market niche and giving value to their customers.
I hear WalMart blamed a lot around here, but it doesn't stand up to a knowledgeable analysis.
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 07:34:53 AM »
30-30man:

I did say I would pay a "little" extra.  I agree with you, those prices are your local shop are crazy!!! 

Prices also vary with the distributor too.  Some charge more than others.  Acu-Sport and Jerry's Sportscenter are a couple of popular ones.  Wal-Mart, for example, sells the Remington 710 out the door for $299. That is the dealer price from Jerry's.  Wal-Marts sells the Mossberg ATR for $244.  Jerry's dealer price is $238.  When a local guy's price from the dealer is the same as Wal-Mart's retail price, the lilttle guy loses.  He can't sell an item for no profit.  Who'd run a business like that? You mentioned the Survivor .308 that Wal-Mart sells for $200.  Dealer cost from Jerry's is $200.  Yes, a $150 mark-up is nuts to us, but then you don't have to feed his family.  If you've ever known dealer who is close to a Wal-Mart, the best way to piss him off is to say "Well, Wal-Mart.....". 

The guns on the rack at Wal-Mart are ordered in bulk and stored in secure facilities at Wal-Mart Distribution Centers.  They may order 10,000 at a time or more, and send them out to stores as they need to.  No one, and I mean no one, can compete with that kind of volume, and that means big discounts on that bulk. 

When Wal-Mart tells you that they will pay a certain amount for an item, that's what they pay.  If you don't think so, last year the Hostess company closed several bakeries and distrubtion centers, and laid people off.  Know why?  Wal-Mart told them that they'll only pay this much for the product, and forced Hostess to sell at a loss.  If Hostess didn't meet that price, they were out of Wal-Mart period.  That would have caused them to close completely.  In order to meet the price, Hostess was forced to re-organize.  I know this because I still have many friends with Wal-Mart, and the company I work for now does business with Hostess.  Can you imagine a world with no Twinkies???

Buying guns at Wal-Mart has it's disadvantages too.   If there is a problem with the new gun, all Wal-Mart will do is send it to the repair center.  That can take forever sometimes.  When I worked there, they wouldn't send anything out until there was more than one to send.  Most good dealers I know will look at the gun first to see if they can figure out the problem.  If they can't, they will send it out (usually faster than Wal-Mart) or more often than not, just exchange it for another. 

I will not be surprised at all if in the future Wal-Mart just stops selling guns totally.  They are sloppy with the paperwork, how they store the guns, and how they sell the guns.  The store closest to me (I worked there too) has been audited by the BATF so many times, it isn't funny.  When I was a manager there, I did an audit and found 22 guns unaccounted for.  22!!!  Ends up that the Sporting Goods department manager was giving guns away to her friends on bogus transactions.  No paperwork was ever done on any of them.  If you've bought a gun lately, lots of stores have a template that they put over the form to make sure it's filled out right.  You can't pay someone $7.50 an hour and expect them to handle something like that proficiently.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 10:17:47 PM »
There are three local Wally stores here. Two of them have removed their gun cases. I suspect that the local gun stores will be pleased and I also expect that they are already raising their prices. I remember the moaning and groaning by local gun shop owners when the Walmart stores were going in. All the crying about how they were going to be put out of buisness. Funny, since all but one of the local shops had guns on the rack with price tags that were over MSP. Now they will be able to go back to their policy of ripping off anyone who walks in without knowing what they are looking for and how much it's supposed to cost. A lot of local gun shops seem to be run like pawn shops. They size up the customer as they walk in, figure out what they may be able to get away with, and adjust the price accordingly. If you walk into a gun shop and there are no price tags hanging from the guns - walk out! At least with Walmart, you knew you weren't going to be charged according to how the manager felt that day.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2007, 04:40:57 AM »
I will totally agree that some shops are like that.  If there are no prices displayed, yes, you need to walk out.  I do the same thing when shopping for vehicles.....if there isn't a posted price somewhere, on the car itself, on the net, in the paper, I go to a different dealer. 

I should have said that the local "honest" dealers in my posts......................in every business there is someone to give it a bad name........

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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2007, 06:40:03 AM »
From what I've heard, Wal Mart is "fine tuning" its inventory. They have always offered different items in different geographic areas. They have taken firearms out of stores which have not sold much of a volume or where state/local gun laws or the anti gun lobby are burdensome on the retailer. Wal Mart stock has gone in the dumpster recently. As for buying a firearm from Wal Mart, it is way down the line in my list of choices. Number 1 is a local gun shop which sells a high volume of guns at low markups. If they order a gun out for you and there is a flaw when it is received, they ship it back to the distributor and get another one for you. I bought a Tikka T3 Hunter (blued, walnut stock) from them for $575. I was able to select the best wood of 3 rifles in the caliber I wanted. Number 2 is a regional discount chain ( Bi Mart) which generally pretty much equals Wal Mart prices and regularly runs sales of $20 to $40 off on firearms. I bought a stainless synthetic Savage with accutrigger from them for $350 and a stainless synthetic Vanguard for $380 during sales. Number 3 is a local gun dealer/pawn shop. I check out the internet for gun prices and go to them to see if they will match the best price I can find on the web. They will, and it saves the shipping charges and charges for having an FFL holder receive the firearm from an internet dealer. Bought a CZ from them. If there is something wrong with the rifle, they ship it back and ask for another one. I've never had to go past #3 to buy the rifle of my choice. When I consider shipping costs for shooting supplies from Midway, Midsouth etc. I realize the importance of supporting local dealers.