Same catagory Varmint rifle, which one......?

[sebastian]

"Narrowing" varmint rifles in .223...Would like to know Which One will you choose: Rem700VSSF or Savage 112BVSS???
And Why?..............
In advance,
Sebastian.

[jhm]

Sebastian:  That for the most part is a personal preference, but here goes,  for me its the rem. hands down, reason fit/finish/I feel there is more quality in the rem. than the savage,dont like the bolt on the savage have owned remingtons for many years and have been satisfied.   JIM

[Graybeard]

I've owned most every variation of it that Remington makes at one time or another. Never had one yet that wouldn't keep a respectable percentage of its groups under 1/2 MOA and all well under 3/4 MOA.

I just recently found a new one on the shelf that has been what I've been wanting for years but wasn't made and now apparently is. I got the R700 VLS with SS metal and the gray laminated stock. That's the combination I much prefer over any other. Haven't even got it scoped yet as I only picked it up Thursday. You cannot go wrong chosing the Remington.

GB

[ReedG]

Both are good rifles and I don't think you'll go wrong with either. I personally prefer the Savage and I have a 112 BVSS in .223 which is a real good shooter for level of my needs. The Savage has a 1:9 twist, which will give you the option of using some heavier bullets -- which is only of value if you want to use heavier bullets. The Savage has the "controversial" barrel nut securing system for the barrel, which makes it possible to easily change barrels -- again, only a plus if you're ever interested in changing barrels.

I might also offer the opinion that before you write the check you should consider the Ruger 77 VT. I have one in .223 which to this day is the most accurate factory stock rifle I've ever seen. Now, mind you, I'm up in northeastern Vermont which ain't exactly the center of the universe, but this thing has beautiful lines, a great action and a nice stock. I was at the range today, testing loads, and shot 80 rounds, all in 5-shot groups of different loads, with the largest being 1.1" (the only one that was over .75") with Nosler 55 BTs and the smallest was .300" with Sierra 52 MHPBT. This past Monday I took the 77 VT to the range because, on another forum, a claim was made that no stock factory rifle would consistently shoot 1/2" groups. This rifle, with my grandpa eyes, shot 5 consecutive 5-shot groups with 52 Sierra MHPBTs and 27.0 Varget with the largest being .450" and the smallest being .285". Mind you, this is no brag on my part because I'm no big-shot shooter, I just want you to know that there might be another option.

I think rifles are a very personality-driven thing. If you look at a certain model and it just doesn't tickle your fancy, then I find it probably will never shoot good for you and you won't be happy with it. Some of my friends buy a certain model just because "all their friends" have that model. There are so many reasons. If you buy a brand you like, in a caliber you like, and spend the time with it to make any minor adjustments that may be needed, and find a good load that it likes, then it will all be worth it. Good luck.

[sebastian]

It's a pity i didn't know for Ruger 77VT...it sounds good one!?.

[D Pete]

I just bought a Rem.700 VLS in 223, shot it yesterday for the first time, I'm impressed with it. It shoots as good a pattern as my cz .17 Still need some shooting time with it....DPete

[Lawdog]

sebastian,

My choice in order would be;

1.}  Ruger M77VT

2.}  Savage 112BVSS

3.}  Winchester M70 Coyote

With Remington last.  The reason for Remington being last is due to their total lack of customer service.  Until they get their act together, which they haven't yet, I cannot recommend them to anyone.  I judge a company on how they treat their customers when they have problems.  At today's prices one must have faith that the company will treat them right when their is a problem.  Lawdog

[sebastian]

Uhh...forgot to say Thanks to you all!
I've chosen the Rem. :wink: