Author Topic: 30/30 and .357 (Read 1399 times)

rshunter · « **on:** January 10, 2007, 06:56:20 AM »

I recently purchased my first handi in 30/30 and have adapted it for my children to deer hunt with ie... youth stock, limbsaver recoil pad, deresonator, and Managed Recoil ammo from Remington. I have a couple of questions for the GBO nation ( I love this sight ).

I would like to also add a Mercury recoil reducer of some sort. Does anybody know if there is one that would fit in the already exsisting stock hole. Is this even possible or effective?

I also would like to find a 357mag to add to the 30-30,...... if the handi is like what I've read about Winchester compact ranger model 94 and shoots the .38 special for plinking and fun. Will the handi do this?

I know about the exchange program but I'd like to buy a complete gun, and double my Handi inventory. Customer Service said it was made a couple of years back. My guess would be they are hard to come by whole. My hunting situations are in fairly close ranges so distance is not an issue. I was just hoping to make both guns as recoil friendly as possible. If the Managed Recoil claims are accurate,(1/2) the recoil, with my poor math and recoil charts ,the 30-30 should come out with less recoil than a .243.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

canon6 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2007, 07:52:21 AM »

Go to Brownells site and check out the mercury recoil reducers, they have the outside diameter listed. You will have to figure a way to make sure it is solid and the way I did it was to cut a 1/2 inch dowel to make up the difference,in lenght and then put the recoil pad back on,you will notice a difference .I have no experience with the reduced recoil ammo. I am sure a lot of the guys here will be able to help Doug

quickdtoo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2007, 08:03:56 AM »

H&R NEF doesn't offer the .357 in a rifle any more, just as an accessory barrel. You could buy another used rifle in another caliber or even just a frame, then send it in for a barrel. Sell the barrel of the used rifle to help pay for the 357 acc barrel.

If you have a wood stock, a 7/8" x5" 16oz C&R MRR will fit fine in the stock bolt hole, I have one in my .45-70, it works very well. If you have the syn stock, it would be more work to make one work.

Tim

http://www.mpcsports.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=245

shooter44 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2007, 10:25:56 AM »

on the synthetic stocks you can use the hardening type spray in foam to fill the void, and drill it and set the reducer in just like a wood stock, works like a charm.

PartsMan · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2007, 10:39:55 AM »

I filled the wood stock on one of my handis with steel BBs.
That added just over a pound.
tamed down my 25-06.

rshunter · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2007, 02:03:55 PM »

Can anybody confirm the .38's will work fine in the .357 for fun and lighter recoil during practice?

canon6 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2007, 02:53:30 PM »

Yes you can fire 38 Specials in the 357 magnum chamber.You may have to make sure you really clean the chamber,so there is no buildup , hth Doug

carp · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2007, 02:54:51 PM »

I can confirm that. The .357s don't have any recoil to speak of but the 38s are cheaper.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2007, 03:38:21 PM »

The .357 handies are a great rifle I have two one is factory the other I reamed out to .357 max, They will both shoot very well with .38s, .357 mags, .360 dan wesson, and .357 max. Thay are on the bottom of the list for someting to trade or sell. As for the recoil issue I think my Max performs right with the .30-30 with less recoil, The light .38s are like shooting a pop gun, Good fun and very accurate. I also have a mercury recoil suppesor in my .45-70, works well I picked it up from brownells.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2007, 03:54:30 PM »

MPC has the best price I've found on C&H MRRs, they sell em for $15 less than Brownell's at $34.95. Don't bother with the removal tool, a ¼"x 4" fine thread bolt will work just fine if you need it, and you most likely will if it's mounted so it doesn't rattle in the stock.

IMO, 2lbs of lead in the stock compared to the MRR shows the MRR to win hands down, less recoil with less dead weight.

Tim

Mattkc · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2007, 05:50:25 PM »

Canon6 is right about cleaning after shooting 38's. A crud ring builds up after a few rounds and if you shoot 357 ammo it will cause pressure problems. I found this out after shooting a GP 100 with 38's then switched to some low pressure 357 reloads. After firing I couldn't eject the cases and the primers showed signs of pressure. I thought I screwed up reloading but it wasn't the rounds. After a good cleaning no more pressure problem. Now if I want to shoot 38 loads I just use reload 357 brass and no more problems.

rshunter · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2007, 06:03:23 AM »

Thanks for all the great info, as always. Now if I could only find that elusive .357

MSP Ret · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:25:52 AM »

Is is tough now to find a used .357 barrel, those that have them usually don't sell them and when they come up, barrels or complete guns, they are snapped right up. If you think it is hard to find one now there is something you can do. Order a new .357 barrel fitted from the factory now while they still have some left, I gaurantee if you wait until they are all gone from the factory you will be kicking yourself. $85 for the barrel, $15 fitting fee, $10 for them to ship it to you, and about $10 to ship the reciever to the factory. Let me ask you this, if you saw a used but unfired barrel that was guaranenteed to fit your reciever perfect for $120 shipped to you would you buy it? you bet you would, IF you could beat all the otheres that were trying to buy it first...Order one while you can and before it is to late. Just think about the numbers buddy....<><....

P.S. if you don't like it you could sure sell it fast here as a like new .357 Mag barrel for $120 and not lose any money either......

Cookiemann · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2007, 10:43:00 AM »

MSP, is right on about that. Another similar option, find someone here that wants JUST A BARREL and buy the whole gun. Work it out ahead of time and sell them JUST THE BARREL and send in the receiver for a 357Mag. Andy and I discussed this at one time, as a way to get him a 16ga barrel. That never came to pass, as I ran out of funds and Andy ended up getting one elsewhere.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just another option, even if ya don't pre-arrange a deal with anyone on the barrel. Most barrels don't last long on the classifieds. FOOD FOR THOUGHT

cookiemann

rshunter · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2007, 08:34:05 AM »

Okay, I'm definately going to order a .357 barrel from H&R. My next question is , Can you interchange all the stocks and the .357 barrel? Could I ( for instance) have a H&R Ultra Varmit .223 w/laminate stocks and send off that reciever to have it fitted for the .357 barrel ?Then would the .357 work in the laminate stocks? or does it matter if the original "factory" gun is bull barrel or heavy barrel or light weight? Can NEF and H&R cross as long as everything is off a SB2?

Thanks again.

Walks with a gimp · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2007, 08:39:44 AM »

On Walmart's web site it shows a 35 Whelen rifle for $199.00. The 35 Whelen can be loaded with .357 pistol bullets also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.35_Whelen

Walks with a gimp · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2007, 08:43:15 AM »

Quote from: Walks with a gimp on January 18, 2007, 08:39:44 AM

On Walmart's web site it shows a 35 Whelen rifle for $199.00. The 35 Whelen can be loaded with .357 pistol bullets also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.35_Whelen

Heere's another link.

http://www.reloadammo.com/35whelenload.htm

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:01:40 AM »

Quote from: rshunter on January 18, 2007, 08:34:05 AM

Okay, I'm definately going to order a .357 barrel from H&R. My next question is , Can you interchange all the stocks and the .357 barrel? Could I ( for instance) have a H&R Ultra Varmit .223 w/laminate stocks and send off that reciever to have it fitted for the .357 barrel ?Then would the .357 work in the laminate stocks? or does it matter if the original "factory" gun is bull barrel or heavy barrel or light weight? Can NEF and H&R cross as long as everything is off a SB2?

Thanks again.

All H&R NEF stocks will fit all SB1 and SB2 frames except the 10ga and 12ga slug gun frames which are bigger and require their own stock sets. There's no separate forend for bull barrels, all rifle barrels use the same forends, bull barrel or superlight.

Tim

rshunter · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2007, 11:08:35 AM »

OK , now there is another wrinkle. Would I be better served with the .35 Whelen?

Now I'm completly out of my knowledge level. I do not reload and only use factory ammo. Are there NO problems shooting .357 out of the Whelen or for that matter 35 Remington?

Remember, my goal with the .357 was short range deer hunting and plinking .38's for my 9 yr. old?

Tim, I would really appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks again

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2007, 11:23:02 AM »

The only thing they have in common is bullet diameter, cartridge interchange can't be done, but they all shoot .358" bullets.

Can't help ya on the squib loads for the 35 Whelen, that one above is the only one I've seen, Greg Mushial has a bunch of low velocity data on his web site, but the 35 whelen isn't one of em. Perhaps one of the sites below will have some, haven't looked at em for a while.

The current 35 Whelen has had some problems with factory ammo and the small shoulder, handloaders have been able to overcome the issues, and some rifles have been returned to the factory for repair.

I think for a youth, I would stick to the .357mag/max.

Tim

http://35cal.com/index.html

http://35cal.com/35whelen.htm