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Offline McLernon

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Flexible 45-70
« on: December 31, 2006, 07:36:22 AM »
As a result of tuning into the handi-holics chat I learned allot more about the 45-70. The flexibility to down load to trap door levels(lowest of three levels) and thus avoid getting beat up by the recoil has finally convinced me. It took this extra time because I know there are shooters out there that don't mind bone shattering recoil so I had to filter out all their input. What I was left with is a what should be fun gun for me to shoot with 30-30 level recoil. And even FredM was tempted once to get one. Now I have to make the choice as to which one. This decision I'll have to make for myself as I have already heard allot supporting both the BC(cut down) and the Marlin XLR. I also have to fill in my gun rack to include a Hornet but that's another story. The post on the Hornet with the black and yellow laminate stock was a real attention getter!!!!!!

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2006, 07:47:32 AM »
I knew we could talk you in to one .  ;D  ;)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 07:53:39 AM »
Yup, everyone "needs" a 45-70, it certainly is a very versatile and flexible caliber, it's 133yrs of popularity speaks for itself!! Paul5388 shoots his very accurately with mid weight cast bullets, but at low velocity, I'm sure he'll offer his advice. ;)

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2006, 07:56:56 AM »
Try this on for size McLernon, a Buff Classic with an additional .22 Hornet barrel, it should fit in that gun rack just fine, and shoot and look good to boot....<><.... :)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2006, 08:16:46 AM »


McLernon:

Hot loads for the 45-70 isn't for everyone...and being able to enjoy the wide range of loads for the cartridge is a real appeal to many here...The 45-70 in the Handi's are some of the best shooting guns you will ever find...either as a Buff Classic...or even with it's shorter brother as a 22"...Some folks love their Guide gun configurations as well...with barrels trimmed down to 18" or shorter...So you have a lot of room with the caliber...and a lot of choices regarding it...I've owned 2 Marlin Guide guns..one ported..the other non-ported in stainless..a regular SS version..a Cowboy..and now my XLR...All of them shoot my Nosler Partition load MOA or better...While it is loaded warm..it is quite manageable in any Handi provided you have taken steps we have recommended...and even shooting trap door loads...having the additional weight and a soft cheek rest will make these lighter loads even more enjoyable...As I told you before ...it is a hard choice between the Buff and the XLR..since both are superb rifles...The nice thing about the Buff is the availability of having other barrels added to it...as your going to find out... ;)

Good Luck...& Good Shooting...and have a Safe & Merry New Year

Mac
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2006, 08:51:12 AM »

 My opinion every body needs a 45-70 Load it to match the recoil
 you want or can stand! I don't load mine hot can not take recoil
 like I did at one time, Happy New Years, Marv.
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2006, 09:01:31 AM »
I might add, I have recommended a Buff Classic yet I have the 22" Handi in 45-70 for ease in handling in the thick Maine woods. I would like to get a Buff Classic some day or at least a barrel. I recently put up a fine .280 Remington barrel I had in an attempt to trade for a Buff Classic barrel, however I ended up trading it for a .357 Max barrel instead that will become my long sought after .35 Remington Handi. Each of the 45-70 offerings that H&R/NEF has are great in thier own right, I just happen to believe the Buffalo Classic is the flagship of the fleet in the H&R lineup, and hopefully some day I will own one....<><.... :)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2006, 09:05:55 AM »
Thanks for the responses!! Since I'm in Canada Handi availabilty is thin so I'll have to start with a BC, cut it down, add open sights and recoil pad. The cost of which is more than the 1895 blued Marlin. That is why I am procrastinating so long. I like the XLR and the 1895 Classic.

The hornet with the black and yellow lam stock is next!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2006, 09:11:29 AM »
Ok I'm just gonna post this to moisten my own lips a ltlle  ;)  ;D
32" BC accessory barrel cut and recrowned at 26", SB-2 frame, TDC stocks tung oiled and polished to glistening shine, Bushnell banner 3-9x40 w/ 6" eye relief, and Mac's famous 300 grain Nosler partition loads, dead and bleeding hogs! That just makes my day!
But the idea of a light recoiling happy round sounds good too. Man I need to get a receiver packed up and some money set aside soon.
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2006, 09:32:14 AM »
You'all realize how great a feature that the barrel acc. program is. Eventhough we don't have access to it these Handi's are starting to become more popular in Canada. Envy you guys!!

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2006, 09:38:09 AM »
I think anyone could benefit from having a 45-70 barrel for a Handi frame or all of his frames, I plan on it myself.
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2006, 09:52:10 AM »
McLernon, why don't you just get a standard 22" barrelled Handi in 45/70 similar to the one I have. It's more than accurate enough out to 200+ yards and it's all the power I will ever need, AND you can buy it over the counter, comes with a recoil pad and iron sights that are very servicable and accurate at hunting distances....<><.... :)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2006, 10:02:04 AM »
The availabilty of guns in Canada is not good. Walmart doesn't carry any. Even our famous previous gun retailer Canadian Tire doesn't carry them any more. The best source for Handi's is mail order from western Canada 9I'm near Toronto) and their stock is very limited. All long guns have to be registered and this makes for allot of extra paper work and liability for the retailers. In short, Handi's are hard to come by. I think I know where to get a BC if it's still there. So I know I can't procrastinate much longer or it wlll be gone.

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2006, 10:28:50 AM »
Best of luck buddy, I hope with the gun grabbing liberals gaining some political power down here that is not what we are headed for. Oh well, Happy New Year and I hope it gets better for you guys up north of the border....<><.... :)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2006, 10:39:17 AM »
Here's a little tease, one each with BC and TDC forends, TDC butt(youth), barrel is 28" long(.405WTarget), 3-9x40 Bushell Trophy mounted in low Leupold QRWs, hammer modified ala Fred!! ;D

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2006, 10:42:24 AM »
McLernon

I understand how you feel , when my wife went to get my new handi for christmas , she had over 15 to chose from and the place is only a mile from the house , don't want to thing about being a Handi_holic up north , i'd go crazy .  ;)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2006, 10:48:39 AM »
Ya, it's kind of like being an alcoholic during prohibition!!!

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2006, 11:35:00 AM »
"Everyone need a 45-70 ...", yes even those which already have one.

I add recently a High-wall 45-70 beside my Handi 45-70, a classical beside a tactical dress.

My reloads went from subsonic 325gr (most) to 300winch mag recoil level (rarely).


Suppressors are legals in my country for range use.

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2006, 11:44:13 AM »
Now that is a suppressed rifle I would love to have, just think, I could use it to shoot squirrels in the back yard!!!! It that a so called "silencer" you purchased or built, are they readily available to shooters in France and are there many shooters in France?....<><.... :)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2006, 12:22:48 PM »
Pascalp, you got some rock'n Handis man 8) ...and a great scope there too!
 I always love your pics of supressed Handirifles. Wish I could do the same. But I don't want the Red Tape involved over here in the US for that :-\


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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2006, 02:33:22 PM »
I used to be a Handi-holic in Canada, and it wasn't until about '98 that I ever saw a Handi other than an old Topper in 30/30 or 22 Hornet. Then a 357 showed up and I bought it, but never did I see a 45-70. Once in a while I'd see one advertised, but it was always snatched up by somebody else, or it was priced too high for me.

My life changed when I married a nice American gal and moved across the line... what a joy! Not only in having access to more toys, but she also loved shooting (though not a 45-70 - yet)

And truthfully I expect it was worse than being an alcoholic during prohibition (I have no first hand experience with that, so I'm just guessing here). At least there were speakeasies and bootleggers where a guy could get some relief. No bootlegged Handis in Canada when I was there - definitely a few other things, but not Handis!

Like every other place with stupid gun laws, the criminals can always get whatever they want. The stupidity only has a negative effects on the honorable responsible gun owner!

MacLernon is a gentleman who has more  fortitude than I believe I could muster. If I still lived in Canada, I doubt I could so regularly hang out in this forum and see all the possibilities with Handis. I would go to bed weeping most nights.

It expect it would be for me, a case of going with the idea that ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2006, 03:07:38 PM »
Hi Tallyho:

I have been hanging around this forum for sometime now so I have a pretty good idea of the great selection of Handi's and Handi programs that you fellas have in the U.S. In Canada (or Canuckistan as one fellow referred to Canada on this forum) you pretty much have to get lucky to get what you want. The same applies to other guns here too as the liability issue has restricted the supply of all gunsr. If you special order you are not ordering from U.S. stock but from Canadian distributer stock that could be a year old. The anti's have been quite successful in Canada and of course after spending $2billion on the long gun registry we are at last safe and free from gun violence ( ya-ya)--------------- stop right here buddy you're getting onto your favorite subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have two Handi's now and I'm working on a third. I also want one of those black and yellow Hornets!!!

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2006, 03:14:30 PM »
Quote from: MSP Ret on December 31, 2006, 11:44:13 AM
Now that is a suppressed rifle I would love to have, just think, I could use it to shoot squirrels in the back yard!!!! It that a so called "silencer" you purchased or built, are they readily available to shooters in France and are there many shooters in France?....<><.... :)
msp  my doughter got me a dvd on hunting red dear and wild goats in scottland  and the guys shooting  where useing sppressors like the one in the pic they must be leagle in the uk as welll. i have scaned one of the pics of the cover so you can see.
bernie ;D
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2006, 04:41:19 PM »
Thanks for the post and picture dodd3, I think they would be nice to shoot with the lessened report....<><.... :)
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2006, 09:45:25 PM »
I never cease to be amazed at the laws on silencers.  The countries with the strictest gun laws allow them, but here it's only the fortunate few the feds let have them.

I can see a suppressor on a 22 LR would be great for squirrel hunting.
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2006, 10:55:27 PM »
I'm not sure that laws are made to ease our leisure while protecting neighborhood and game.

MSP,
I purchased this one (and the other too). Price is near the price of the Handi. Quality and small run increase price.
You may use it for squirrel but due to the low recoil and the accuracy il will be unfair not to try only head shot :) .
France is a small market, we aren't so many to like "cheap" single shot and lesser liking quiet shooting.
1.4 million hunters , 140.000 ISU shooters , a few hundred of Suppressed Single Shooters !

Handi are scarce in Canada, in France too and no way to reach barrel program !.

I'll will have to open a topic with a pic of my suppressed familly, Handi and other, if that didn't offend anybody !.


 

 
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2007, 01:05:52 AM »

 Pascalp You are welcome to open up with pics I would like to see them.
 I feel for all people in places that have restricted gun laws with just much
 crime. most gun laws are passed by law makers that plain Dumb about
 guns. I have been on my soap box long ehough. Happy Hew Years every body
 
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2007, 11:17:28 AM »
Both it is then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2007, 11:23:19 AM »
man!!  I gotta fill out my next tax stamp application!!   a muffled Buffalo Classic.   :)  The ground hogs will never know what him them.
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Re: Flexible 45-70
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2007, 11:34:57 AM »
--------------------but it's sure to make their eyes bulge!!!!

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