That Whelen is what started some of the ruckus on here. I notice it is started at $400 and has no bids. For that money plus the costs of getting it shipped, I can buy something like a Remingon pump, BLR, or maybe even a #1 in some large caliber. It is not necessarily the Whelen I "have" to get, just something larger than .30 and smaller than .45 (not pistol). Several things fit the general criteria.