Author Topic: Handi extractor vs ejector (Read 1578 times)

rocket1 · « **on:** November 27, 2006, 02:13:47 PM »

I just got a Handi Rifle .270 and its an extractor. Not high on it for that reason. I'm told extractors are all that's available now on the new Handi Rifles. The .270 is a black synthetic stock with a stainless receiver. An extremely nice looking new gun. My other Handis are ejectors, .223 and a .243. Bought them about five years ago. Both are black synthetics. Decided to get the .270 and I guess foolishly assumed it would be an ejector like my previous Handi Rifles. Before ordering the .270 from our local gun shop I looked it over on the net's Handi Rifle sites and saw nothing indicating they had gone to the extractors. So I ordered the gun, got it home to put a scope on it and noticed it did not click like my other Handi Rifles when I opened it. Was immediately alarmed and then found out all of the previous stated information. Man, I'm really down. I'm not a reloader and am not interested in collecting brass. All I want is to eject a spent round and get ready for another shot if needed. I have not fired my newly acquired .270 and can't imagine trying to get that spent brass out with so little exposed with gloves on. I was referred here to this forum... I'm wondering if anybody knows if anything is about to be able to convert the new extractor design to an ejector design??? While I was looking through the net I did see where instructions were there to convert the ejectors to extractors. Well, how bout converting extractors back to ejectors? Is anybody on it?? I'm no gunsmith either, I just want my gun to eject, I prefer that. Any help out there???

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:23:09 PM »

Welcome to GBO! Read the FAQ and Help sticky info on this subject.

Tim

rocket1 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:40:30 PM »

Appreciate the welcome. I'm afraid I don't follow your reply. "Sticky info"?? Where's FAQ and Help?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:55:46 PM »

Ummm, the subject "FAQ's and HELP" right above this subject in the index!!

Tim

rocket1 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2006, 03:49:37 PM »

Guess I'm not seeing it or anything referring to my plea. I'll sit tight and see anybody has some input on my subject.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 27, 2006, 04:01:04 PM »

The ejector/extractor info is near the bottom of the page of the FAQs and Help. There are pics of the ejector parts, and conversion to extractor info, plus pics of ejector and extractor underlugs. You really need to read the FAQ and Help, it's there for newbies to answer questions like yours.

Tim

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,26264.0.html

Swampman · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2006, 04:05:17 PM »

Find yourself an older used .270 barrel on eBay. I just sold one. Put your new barrel on eBay to pay for it. The newer barrels cannot be converted to eject according to the FAQ page.

For me all this is a non issue. I hunted with a T/C Contender for years. It didn't eject. My buddy once heard me shoot 5 times. He said he thought I was using a revolver.

rocket1 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 27, 2006, 04:48:05 PM »

I've considered your suggestion of ebay and have been watching there. Also saw in FAQs where they said extractor to ejctor conversion would be a major machining undertaking. RE: "non issue",

Its an issue to me, bud.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2006, 05:13:59 PM »

Get use to it, it works!! They won't be offering any ejectors on calibers they have already switched, they told us a year ago that all H&R/NEFs will have extractors sooner of later, that includes rimfires and shotguns. As Swampman said, Encores have always had extractors and they work for them. Doesn't mean we have to like it, just need to get used to it, that's all, as reluctant as we may be!!

Tim

Fred M · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:04:51 PM »

Tim
What I need is a 30-30 barrel with an extractor so I can work on it and turn it into an ejector. I don't think it to be too difficult. Somebody promissed to send me a drawing of the extractor, but that is long forgotten.

After that I would rechamber it to a 30-30 AI.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:47:17 PM »

Fred,

My .500S&W barrel is an extractor, but is different that my .204 and .22-250 barrels! They've changed the extractor design some!! Maybe I'll get up enough nerve to tear the .500 barrel apart, it doesn't have the staked screw that the other 2 barrels have. Very bottom is old style, center is the type on my .204 and .22-250, top is on the .500. The .500 style just uses a cam to push the extractor out.

Tim

rocket1 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2006, 10:13:09 PM »

Tim... Now you just told me to get used to the extractor and that it is not changing and to live with it. Yet I immediately see you and Fred talking converting ectractor to ejector. My 270 has a serial number of NW. Its right out of the factory. I know the extractor has no spring and operates off of a cam. Is that FAQs page wrong or what? Don't you think someone somewhere sometime will cash in and offer a service of converting these extractors into ejectors? Any chance NEF has done this so they can come back with ejectors and charge more for them? They gotta know folks are still wanting ejectors. Why not have both extractors and ejectors? Handi's popularity was built on the ejectors, something's up surely...? I know, lots of questions....hope you have the answers.

Stan in SC · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2006, 10:45:53 PM »

Sticking fired shells have always been a problem in Handis.The incidence of this happening in an extractor is much lessened.You are seemingly anticipating a problem which you may not encounter in reference to the removal of fired shells with gloves on.Have you tried it yet to see if it indeed IS a problem?

Stan

kennyd · « **Reply #13 on:** November 28, 2006, 02:10:57 AM »

Hi Rocket. Don't get too excited about it all. If you wait long enough you will find something else you need instead. It may not change the value of the .270 to shoot it; H & R is not in the collectible category by any means. My own answer to gloves is to not wear them even in construction work, just use the handwarmer pockets, even when it is zero. I have a Savage in 30-30 and 20ga. with extractors, it is NOT as good for hunting.

I know the steel I buy for work(small manufacturer) has doubled in price, the higher ups don't seem to care that much, so the people we talk to hat H & R are probably in the same boat -- same machinery, stagnant wages, and production schedules that push the envelope for quality, ie. the chamber finish. I expected the price to climb on the new lists, and it hasn't yet.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #14 on:** November 28, 2006, 02:39:18 AM »

As I predicted when the talk of eliminating ejectors and replacing them with extractors first surfaced the desirability of the ejector barrels over the newer and most likely cheaper to produce extractor barrels would become become a fact, especially for hunting...A cheaper extrator fitted barrel may work for a target or benchrest shooter, however those shooters could easily convert an ejector to extractor in about 10 minutes, not so the other way around, at least yet.
I suggest you use your gun the way it is and suffer with it, all the time keep watching thie classsifieds H&R/NEF section here for a used ejector fitted .270 barrel. When you find one, and you will, buy it and then sell your less desirable extractor fitted barrel, you will. There are some here that don't seem to be bothered by them as much as the rest of us....best of luck....If you keep at it I am sure it will all work out and you will be happy. How about just posting a WTT (want to trade), a brand new extractor fitted .270 barrel for an ejector fitted .270 barrel in good condition? You might be surprised and get a response....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:24:09 AM »

rocket1,

It's going to take a machinist to convert an extractor to ejector, I do minor stuff, but that's more than I'm capable of. The FAQ is correct until someone figures it out.

Tim

dawei · « **Reply #16 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:38:07 AM »

Have the barrels for rimmed cartridges (45/70, 30/30, etc) been switched to extractor or are thet still ejector?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:51:43 AM »

If they haven't yet, they will be!

Tim

Mac11700 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:23:15 AM »

The ejectors are nice...but can be very problematic for a-lot of folks.....and not just for handloaders either...It does take a bit getting used to with the extractors..but..it isn't something to loose sleep over...They have been around for some time...and have always worked just as they are suppose to...I didn't think I was going to like them either...but..I prefere them now to the ejectors...and I hunt with gloves on too...I wear a pair of Bob Allen leather shooting gloves...and they aren't too expensive either...I got mine on sale at Walmart for $10.00...They give good dexterity to your fingers...and do a adiquate job of keeping your hands warm till it gets really cold...When it's really cold...10 degrees or less...I wear a heavier glove on my left hand...and having a disposable pocket warmer is all I need for my trigger hand...Give it a try...

Mac

rocket1 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2006, 06:03:48 PM »

Talked with Gordon today. He's practically head honcho at NEF/H&R. I'm told he's been there for ions. His input on the sticking problems was that most of it is created outside NEF's facility. True in both my instances. This is changing the suject, but I'm pro ejector for the Handi Rifle. I'm for you extractor lovers too, so don't get your feathers ruffled. But right now we gotta get ejectors back, and lobby for BOTH designs to be manufactured and made available. Hey, hunters for hunters, right!! I believe after talking with Gordon today, a really understanding fella, it can be done. He indicated to me that he needs us to demonstrate through contacting him that such a request is desired. (Making both designs available.) Makes perfect sense to me. He's gotta have our backup in the form of us contacting him so he can have the fodder to git'er done. In contacting him there's no need to complain about something, just make a statement to the effect that you desire an available choice and request the Handi Rifle line offer BOTH the extrator design and the ejector design. We can do this. What a great country we live in!!! Take a second and write this down.... Gordon, (NEF/H&R). Phone: toll free 866-776-9292 or 978-630-8220. You'll get customer service, simply ask to speak with Gordon. "...Let's roll..."

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:57:52 PM »

Good luck with that, we've been there, done that with Gordon and John, plus we've had contact with honchos at Marlin who run H&R. They have eyes on this forum and know exactly what we would like, the 7.62x39 and the return of the .35 Whelen this year and .444 Marlin next year are evident of that, but a switch back to an ejector isn't likely to happen, as much as we would like it. Read Rangeball's post in the Wish List sticky.

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #21 on:** November 30, 2006, 02:30:26 AM »

Please no defeatists attitudes here, it won't hurt to try, but if we don't try it will never happen.

Rocket, since you seem to have developed a rapour with Gordon, especially on this subject,I do think YOU should call Gordon back and get both an e-mail address for Gordon and a "snail mail" address for him and post it here so we could send him those same requests, he could have a hard copy and his time would not be taken up as muchj.

Also as far as the new Marlin/H&R people listening, the .35 Whelen with a 22" barrel? No one requested that, how many wanted a 7.62x39? I never heard of throngs of people rushing to get one. And a .444 Marlin next year? OK but why? they have the 45-70, .500 S&W, and a .44 Mag. Perhaps they will sell 40 or 50, big deal. I think thier efforts should go into quaility control and as Rocket advocates bringing back the ejector barrels and if possible offering both, which I think is a stretch. Think of this though, bring back the ejectors and polish the chambers so we the customer do not have to do it, this in itself should cure any sticking problems, then we the cunsumer could easily convert the ejector to an extractor IF we wanted one, and it could be changed back with just one inexpensive new part, AND that also could be done by the consumer.

The company should not make changes just to make changes, or to make it easier for them if it is against the best interests of the customer. Those changes they do make should not be as ill concieved as it seems many are, they start out well but somehow are pretty well fouled up by the time they come off the production line, so much so that they do not fullfill the desires of the customer. How about a little more care on barrel fitting (popping open) on new guns also, as well as chamber and throat lengths, now there is a biggie with a simple quality control fix.
hey may have fixed the simple problem of stiripped screws in the butt plates/recoil pads and I applaud them if that problem has gone away. I love thier product, it would be so easy to make it SO MUCH better. Lets start with some quailty control, smoother chambers, and a return of ejectors.
As was said many times when the change to extractors was first discussed, the one thing the change to the cheaper extractors does iis save money for the company, however it also lessens and cheapens the product, and by the way,I did not see a price drop when they started saving money by eliminating the preferred ejectors....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:01:24 AM »

I hope you're right MSP, I just don't think it will happen. They've changed the extractor design since it first came out, I would think if they were headed in the direction of an either/or extractor/ejector, they would have done it by now while making the last change.

Tim

rocket1 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:07:53 AM »

Excellent idea!!! And thoughtful... Main thing is....keep it going into the company, letting up will result in nothing. "...Lets Roll..." (God rest Todd's soul.)

"Snail Mail" Email

Attn: G. Haskins ghaskins@hr1871.com
H&R 1871, LLC
60 Industrial Rowe
Gardner, MA 01440

rocket1 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:24:57 AM »

In our conversation Gordon said he does read the forums. He also said when the big change came involving extractors and ejectors he expected more response. He said at present he only gets about one contact per month from pro ejector types. Implied that won't get noticed. Let me point out here, the man comes across as very open minded and concerned for this aspect of their business. My impression was that there was no inattentiveness. (spelling)?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #25 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:39:19 AM »

That's very true, Gordon is a great guy and listens to those who contact him, Mac talks to Gordon regularly, but Gordon's hands are pretty much tied by the execs at Marlin. We've even had contact with one of the majority stock holders at Marlin, but that went no where.

Read the 4 pages of our wishes!

Tim

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,64281.msg389265.html#msg389265

rocket1 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:54:50 AM »

Fortress49, I lost you....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #27 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:03:28 AM »

His post was deleted, for sale posts are only allowed in the Classified forums, I PMd him to post it there. If he would have posted a sale price, I would have just moved it for him, but not posting a sale price is also a violation of GBO rules. You have 5 posts now, so you can PM him if you desire.

Tim

rocket1 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:14:45 AM »

Tim, I'll go there and look. Man, I don't have his contact info. You are fast bud...

quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:21:48 AM »

Here's his profile, you can access anyone's profile in any of their posts or throught the member list at the bottom of the main index page, it is searchable and actually works!!

Tim

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=5028