Thanks for your replys guys i have decided to go with a leupold 1.5x5x20 with the german #4 recticle.And thats a nice buck Tim. Please let me ask you guys another question that i posted on another forum. the recent purchase of a 35 whelen has me going with the 358 winchester , i am realy liking the 35 caliber now as i have hunted mostly with the 30/06. I will be only hunting deer and bear hear in upstate NY with this rifle and the only other cartridge concideration was the 308 winmchester.Should i go with my first choice or do you guys think the 308 would be a better choice.I guess i am liking the 358 for two reasonms, first you dont see them much at all hear and second i am a guy who likes to use heavier bullets . Even with my 30/06 i only use 220 grain bullets and i like the 358 for its 200 grain choices which i dont beleive i would have with the 308., or would I? I have seen loading data for the 358 200 grain bullet from 2400-2700 fps but how about the 308? I have also seen some factory loading from Conley and other custom ammunition makers using the 250 grain bullets to 2400. Give me your opinions on both these calibers . I would be reloading my own no matter the choice. Thanks Tanoose