Author Topic: Waco... Whats your thoughts? (Read 16237 times)

Dee · « **Reply #90 on:** August 22, 2008, 02:41:35 AM »

Quote from: kevthebassman on August 21, 2008, 06:30:57 PM

Quote from: bilmac on August 21, 2008, 06:01:45 PM
Such was the Clinton Administration.
And such is the Bush administration, and such will be the Obama or McCain administration. We're on a slow march towards totalitarian socialist dictatorship, and nobody really cares enough to stop it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'd love to see this nation (and indeed this entire world) cleansed by fire. 100 million people should be inhabiting this world, right now we're at 6.6 billion. Like any out of control population, we will be kept in check. Soon nature/God/random chance will bring the population into balance. I, for one, will welcome the fresh start.

Ahh yes, but what if you are not one of the welcomers, but instead one of the casualties? Then someone else will be playing with your accumulated toys.

lrs · « **Reply #91 on:** August 22, 2008, 02:52:45 AM »

I am in no way agreeing (or disagreeing ) with the King George thing. But it does remind of George Bush Sr when he lost to Bill Clinton. A couple of days after the election he agreed, conceded, that he would step down as president. It was pretty creepy.

Dee · « **Reply #92 on:** August 22, 2008, 03:13:09 AM »

Well, I respect Matt's opinion on GW but, the same speculation was going around the last election on the pretense that if he lost, he would not step down.
The truth of the matter is, that GW has pushed thru some laws such as the Patriot Act that absolutely gutted the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Many will defend him on these issues, but truth is, he TRIED to make them permanent not too long ago, and when he does leave they will still be in place for even more abuse than now. The government takes, but never really gives back what it takes, even when situations change.
He along with his predecessors have managed to spread our military so thin, that I believe much of our strength is more imaginary than real. Russia is proof of this. Europe, and the U.S. have made them, and China, and the Middle East rich beyond belief, and they are spending their wealth on bullets, tanks and rockets, while we go after cheap thugs in 3rd world countries such as Iraq, and he justifies it with lies, and then later mere propaganda, after the lies fall thru. And of course the American people as a whole buy the story.
I could be wrong, but I think it is still a little early for an American dictator, but we are close, unless Russia, and China, step in to re-arrange our social structure. They will be strong adversaries, as we have given them the necessary tools and have made the necessary mistakes. JMO

kevthebassman · « **Reply #93 on:** August 22, 2008, 01:46:26 PM »

Quote from: Dee on August 22, 2008, 02:41:35 AM

Quote from: kevthebassman on August 21, 2008, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: bilmac on August 21, 2008, 06:01:45 PM
Such was the Clinton Administration.
And such is the Bush administration, and such will be the Obama or McCain administration. We're on a slow march towards totalitarian socialist dictatorship, and nobody really cares enough to stop it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'd love to see this nation (and indeed this entire world) cleansed by fire. 100 million people should be inhabiting this world, right now we're at 6.6 billion. Like any out of control population, we will be kept in check. Soon nature/God/random chance will bring the population into balance. I, for one, will welcome the fresh start.

Ahh yes, but what if you are not one of the welcomers, but instead one of the casualties? Then someone else will be playing with your accumulated toys.

That's very likely to be the case, even though I consider myself to be well-prepared. Ultimately my little existence means next to nothing in the big scheme of things.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #94 on:** August 26, 2008, 03:13:48 AM »

When GW was in there were no term limit , GUESS THEY LEARNED SOMETHING ?

ironglow · « **Reply #95 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:19:48 AM »

Shootall;
Perhaps I misunderstood what you said, but term limits were installed from what I understand, after FDR's 4-term career..as prez..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #96 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:50:40 AM »

correct , guess we learned we needed them
wish the rest had them !

Dee · « **Reply #97 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:35:05 AM »

If wishes were horses, we'd all ride. It will never happen in the Congress and Senate. 35 year career politicians like Biden, and 25 + year politicians like McCain, would NEVER VOTE FOR SUCH A THING.

It would be a career ender, and both would have to go and find a real job. McCain has NEVER WORKED OR LIVED OUTSIDE THE GOVERNMENT, and has not a clue what is is like to worry about such things as health care, and pay increases. He was a cinch to get into the Naval Academy as both his father and grandfather were Admirals. He simply got them in the military, and later was able to VOTE HIMSELF BOTH.
Biden, is a practicing career Liberal, (as is McCain), and was probably the youngest to ever get in the Senate. He has been on the dole almost ten years longer than McCain. Both are political thieves.
Obama is an "apprentice political thief". But he is a quick study.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #98 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:59:43 AM »

SHAME !

Dee · « **Reply #99 on:** August 28, 2008, 03:12:31 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 27, 2008, 07:59:43 AM

SHAME !

Me or the politicians?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #100 on:** September 08, 2008, 06:20:52 AM »

the politics !
need you ask ?
It is important that all who seek office remember the TEA party in Boston !
And we all know History will repeat !

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #101 on:** September 08, 2008, 06:22:34 AM »

Dee sorry for late reply , been to Texas to see a good friend then to Mo. to hunt doves .

Dee · « **Reply #102 on:** September 08, 2008, 06:44:47 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 08, 2008, 06:22:34 AM

Dee sorry for late reply , been to Texas to see a good friend then to Mo. to hunt doves .

What part of Texas. I am in North Central, and happen to dove hunt here.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #103 on:** September 08, 2008, 08:20:47 AM »

BUDA !

Dee · « **Reply #104 on:** September 08, 2008, 08:29:34 AM »

heard of it, but don't remember where it is.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #105 on:** September 08, 2008, 08:41:06 AM »

first exit south of Austin on I-35 .
His home is in sight of Cabela's .

Dee · « **Reply #106 on:** September 08, 2008, 03:19:03 PM »

Ok, I've been thru there.

ironglow · « **Reply #107 on:** September 10, 2008, 04:20:51 AM »

McCain never worked outside the govt..true..but of course, neither Biden or Obama did either..even "community organizers" get some
govt funds..besides what they collect from "foundations"..
I may be a bit off base, but I don't consider community organizer and jet fighter pilot to be equal occupations..nor equal motivations.
....But that's just my $.02

As far as GW refusing to step down..Dee correctly recalls the same fears were voiced with the end of the Clinton admin..

Yet if someone still believes GW will try to avoid vacating office..put your money where your mouth is...If they are willing, I would place $100
with either GB or Brett and you do the same. Six months or a year (you choose)..the $200 goes to you if he refuses to step down ..or to me if
he steps down as normally expected. Either put up....or..you know...

wncchester · « **Reply #108 on:** September 11, 2008, 02:16:01 PM »

"one should be able to deduce that there is but one reason why.... cause after Marshall Law he will not have to step down."

Goodness! Marshall (martial) Law? Guess we better grab our tinfoil hats and head for the hills...

goater · « **Reply #109 on:** December 23, 2008, 12:50:24 PM »

Partially reading through this, reminded me of all the forums where I saw Clinton and Reno blamed for Ruby Ridge

Cabin4 · « **Reply #110 on:** February 24, 2009, 12:22:12 PM »

Reading horses back side of this thread reminds me of the apologists that rush to the defense of Clinton, Reno and the rest of the socialist pigs because they believe in overzealous and intrusive big government that assassinates innocent people in the name of conformity among the masses of people .

ironglow · « **Reply #111 on:** February 24, 2009, 12:35:31 PM »

The massacre at Waco was not necessary..yet the major media cooperatively stayed away from the murder scene. Does anyone recall when Koresh called out... "where's the media?" Well, a bunch of those baboons heard about his plea and in a comfortable quarters far away from the scene lined up like a dozen "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" monkeys and mocked Koresh's plea..saying "here we are!" yeah like 2 miles away.
Sure, Koresh had a "goofy" religion to most of us; but isn't that what the first amendment is all about?
ASnyone who may have thought that cruel joke by the major media was funny, might do well to remember Pastor Reinhold Niemoller's words as he spoke about his life in Nazi Germany .

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Reinhold Niemoller

....Don't be surprised if we face some of these state sponsored terrorist acts again.. Now that we have another "government is the answer to everything" administration who evidently believe people should be treated like cattle..

Cabin4 · « **Reply #112 on:** February 24, 2009, 02:19:19 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on February 24, 2009, 01:58:32 PM

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....Don't be surprised if we face some of these state sponsored terrorist acts again.. Now that we have another "government is the answer to everything" administration who evidently believe people should be treated like cattle..

IG ...Cabin.....you saying or think the Democrats are the only group politic capable and willing to do false flag state sponsored terrorism, murder citizens, wreak havoc, deceive, and lie to people...?

...TM7

No, I'm not saying that at all. There are in fact corrupt pigs all over the dam place and in every administration. Liberal Socialist Pigs are like cancer. You can't just change the administration and expect the cancer to go away. There are Liberal Socialist Pigs all over our political system at the federal, state, local levels and they dominate the news media. It's pervasive and institutionalized because the majority of Americans have become dependent hungary slobs that are constantly looking for a selfish free handout and they slop up the news media pigs words like a two-bit street whore on the corner looking for a buck.

ironglow · « **Reply #113 on:** February 25, 2009, 04:23:42 AM »

Nope TM, I wouldn't say that at all. I believe ANY political party is capable of such. I don't completely dismiss your claims of a conspiracy.
I just don't see them in the same context as you do; I see them as more of a "tacit agreement" between benefitting groups. Admittedly though, i am much more cynical about all politics than I once was..

Bush, Cheney and others may well have tacitly agreed to enter Iraq before concrete proof of WMD was nailed down. IHad I been in such a position, I may have agreed with them. There was so much circumstantial evidence and the agrement signed after the first Gulf war was violated repeatedly. I am convinced that Saddam did have WMD, although I know you don't agree.
I believe the economic fix we are presently in was engineered by the Socialists among us. Don't know if I would call it a conspiracy, but rather a tacit agreement.
I think the Socialists wanted our economy to collapse so they could bring in their favored philosophy...as they are presently doing. Else, why would anyone in their right mind tell our banking system that they MUST make mortgage loans to millions that could not possibly repay them ? I believe they engineered the collapse to come just before election...after all, the problem started with the mortgage market.
Barney Frank & Chris Dodd were the "watchdogs" on F-Mae & F-Mac...and they could have given warning years ago..then the price at the pump started to drop in time to get Obumma elected. Now the price is going back up, while the price of raw petroleum is dropping..Hmmm.. Still, I think it was a symbiotic relationship, not a conspiratorial one....But perhaps that is a fine line to draw..

jk3006 · « **Reply #114 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:00:16 AM »

I find it extremely interesting that the info that was leaked out from the 2006 Bilderberg meeting was that they wanted to drive the price of oil up to get people in the stock market, then drive the stock market up to 14000, then burst the subprime bubble, which would then lead to the entire financial collapse. That's the way Alex Jones described it, as he was there, along with many others.

I don't know how that can't be called a conspiracy.

bilmac · « **Reply #115 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:08:46 AM »

The economic collapse came just at the right time to get Obama elected didn't it. No more talk about his stupid ideas about foreign policy and war. What I can't understand is how the American people have been convinced that the Dems know how to run an economy.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #116 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:03:27 PM »

Don't worry about the economy or the constitution. Both are already or shortly will be distant objects in our rear view mirrors.

ironglow · « **Reply #117 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:53:18 PM »

It sure looks like that, Cabin4..

Oldshooter · « **Reply #118 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:11:58 PM »

I watched the Waco saga unfold and I will always hold the feds responsible for the murder of the innocent women and children in that event. It was not prudent to attack the way they did. A seige could have been made by blockade and the children may have been saved. Now I know there will be those that argue that they may have killed themselves and the children if they had the time and it was looking bad. However that would have been on their hands not the Feds. Firing into those buildings was pure murder. I think it was handled badly from the getgo. Thats what I thought then and what I think now!

ironglow · « **Reply #119 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:31:29 PM »

Those Clintonistas worked much harder to "save the whales"..than they ever did, trying to save the innocent children at Waco..