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Offline Dobermann

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What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« on: October 03, 2006, 10:37:30 PM »
Have been told everything from 8 twist to 12 twist 8.5 seems best from what I have read, opinions please.

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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2006, 03:00:45 AM »
Given that the standard 140 grain bullet in this caliber is very long, the 8.5" rate of twist is a very good choice.  If, however, you intend to mainly shoot lighter bullets, like 120, then you can get away with a rate of twist in the 9.0"+ range.

10" seems high (which is pretty much standard for the .308 caliber.)  12" seems just crazy.  I can't see how those long .264" diameter bullets would stabilize.

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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2006, 10:54:43 AM »
I shoot a rebarrelled '94 (found new/old '96 barrel and had it cut back to 22").  The traditional Swedes (like mine) have a very fast twist (approx. 7.5").  My gun has no trouble stabilizing 120 gr. pills.  Newer guns are probably rifled with the expectation that 140 gr. is the heaviest bullet "moderns" will shoot.  I would guess that anywhere in the 8 or 9" area will do very well unless you're determined to shoot the traditional 160 gr. bullets.

By the way, I love the Hornady 160 gr. RN (I use them all the time in the woods), but the lighter bullets are admittedly better general purpose hunting instruments.

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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2006, 05:30:41 AM »
Found this somewhere else:

When you shoot a longer (heavier) bullet of a given caliber, you usually need a faster twist rate to stabilize the bullet. There is a point of diminishing return here. The faster you spin the bullet, the more noticeable flaws in bullet construction become. The kicker here is the bullet jacket. If there are minute wall thickness inconsistancies in the bullet jacket, one side of the bullet is actually heavier than the other. As the bullet spins, it starts to yaw, or another way of looking at it is the centrifugal forces start to pull the bullet off course. That's why the bench rest guys shoot light .22 and .243 bullets with slow rates of twist. They are shooting at 100 or 200 yards.

The 1 in 9 twist is marginal for the 142 gr Sierra Matchking, but is good for the 120 gr. stuff. Now, don't let this throw you. If you are a hunter, the 1 in 9 twist will probably be the best all around choice. It will stabilize the 140 gr. flat base, and shoot the 160 gr. round nose very well. It will also shoot the 120 gr. stuff well, without the chance of overstabilizing the bullet. Where you would need the 1 in 8 twist would be for the long VLD style bullets that need this much stabilizing. That's why the long range target shooters and 1000 yard bench rest guys go for the faster twist. It's a special application.

Also, don't let anyone tell you the slower twist will slow the bullet down. It is just a matter of proper application.

An example of this twist rate application is the M-16 used in Viet Nam. When the war started out in 1965 or so, (actually it was going on before that, but I think thats about the date the M-16 came in) the M-16 started out with 1 in 14, or 1 in 12 twist, depending on which report you read. There were all kinds of reports about the bullet "tumbling", and they were not far off. The bullet wasn't stabilized. When the army found the heavier bullet, 63 gr., penetrated body armor better at long range, the twist rate became 1 in 7 as it is found today.

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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2006, 04:48:55 PM »
Sigma, will a 9" barrel really stabilize the 160 gr. round nose?  I guess I presumed (a practice that has gotten me in trouble before) that the traditional 7.5" was required for that job.  I gather the difficulty with the 140 gr. target load you mentioned is a function of its length?


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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2006, 05:30:08 AM »
Some twisting.
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CALIBER
 RATE OF TWIST
 BULLET DIAMETER
 
     
17 REMINGTON
 9
 0.172
 
     
22 HORNET
 16
 0.224
 
222 REMINGTON
 14
 0.224
 
223 REMINGTON
 14
 0.224
 
222 REMINGTON MAGNUM
 14
 0.224
 
224 WEATHERBY
 14
 0.224
 
22-250 REMINGTON
 14
 0.224
 
220 SWIFT
 14
 0.224
 
22 PPC
 14
 0.224
 
225 WINCHESTER
 14
 0.224
 
     
6 PPC
 12
 0.243
 
6MM BR REMINGTON
 12
 0.243
 
243 WINCHESTER
 10
 0.243
 
6MM REMINGTON
 9
 0.243
 
240 WEATHERBY
 10
 0.243
 
     
250 SAVAGE
 14
 0.257
 
257 ROBERTS
 10
 0.257
 
25-06 REMINGTON
 10
 0.257
 
257 WEATHERBY
 12
 0.257
 
257 STW
 12
 0.257
 
     
6.5 X 55 SWEDISH MAUSER
 8
 0.264
 
6.5 REMINGTON MAG
 9
 0.264
 
260 REMINGTON
 9
 0.264
 
264 WINCHESTER MAG
 9
 0.264
 
     
270 WINCHESTER
 10
 0.277
 
270 WEATHERBY
 12
 0.277
 
     
7 X 57 MAUSER
 8
 0.284
 
7MM-08 REMINGTON
 9
 0.284
 
280 REMINGTON
 10
 0.284
 
7MM REMINGTON MAG
 10
 0.284
 
7MM WEATHERBY
 12
 0.284
 
7MM STW
 12
 0.284
 
284 WINCHESTER
 10
 0.284
 
     
30-30 WINCHESTER
 12
 0.308
 
300 SAVAGE
 12
 0.308
 
307 WINCHESTER
 12
 0.308
 
308 WINCHESTER
 12
 0.308
 
30-06 SPRINGFIELD
 10
 0.308
 
300 H&H MAGNUM
 10
 0.308
 
300 WINCHESTER
 10
 0.308
 
300 WEATHERBY
 12
 0.308
 
     
303 BRITISH
 10
 0.311
 
     
8 X 57 MAUSER
 9
 0.323
 
8MM REMINGTON MAG
 10
 0.323
 
     
338 WINCHESTER MAG
 10
 0.338
 
340 WEATHERBY
 12
 0.338
 
     
375 WINCHESTER
 12
 0.375
 
375 H&H MAGNUM
 12
 0.375
 
378 WEATHERBY MAG
 12
 0.375
 
     
416 REMINGTON MAG
 14
 0.416
 
416 RIGBY
 14
 0.416
 
416 WEATHERBY MAG
 14
 0.416
 
     
458 WINCHESTER MAG
 14
 0.458
 
460 WEATHERBY
 14
 0.458
 
     
     
   
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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2006, 08:04:30 AM »
Have been told everything from 8 twist to 12 twist 8.5 seems best from what I have read, opinions please.

This is a tricky question because most people dont take into consideration the twist rate until 'after' they buy the gun, then they wonder why it doesn't shoot good on paper.

I am guessing that you are looking for a specific twist rate before buying, which is a very smart move on your part.  By doing this, you should know what you are using it for and approximately how far you think your shots will be.  Which will tell you what weight bullets you will be shooting, which in turn tells you what twist rate to look for. A vicious cycle if I ever saw one.

An example would be the 30-06. The 30-06 was designed back in the early 1900's to shoot a 165 grain bullet, and a twist rate was used specifically for that caliber and weight.  Over the years, some manufacturers have either stayed with the original twist rate while others have made it a little faster or slower, to accommadate either lighter or heavier bullets.

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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2006, 09:10:39 AM »
My rebored Savage in .260 is an 8 1/2" twist, and it seems to work fine with 125s, 129s and 140s of every make I tried. I don't have any experience with the long range target type bullets.
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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2006, 05:01:02 PM »
Anyone know the twist of a Ruger 77 Mkll in 6.5x55?
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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2006, 01:45:49 PM »
My Encore custom BB Barrel is 9.5.   It shoots 140s and 129 very well.
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Re: What is the best twist rate to get for 6.5x55?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2006, 06:06:44 AM »
Anyone know the twist of a Ruger 77 Mkll in 6.5x55?
Thanks,
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M77® Mark II   ·  Standard

Rifle / Bolt Action / M77® Mark II / M77R MKII

 
Caliber: 6.5x55 Swedish
Capacity: 4 Rounds
Finish: Blued
Stock: American Walnut
Barrel Length: 22"
Groove: 6
Twist: 1:8" RH