Got any "old" ammo?

[Victor3]

 Other day on the radio they had a guy on to discuss California's proposed licencing of ammo buyers. The host questioned the guest about all of the ammo already out there (and how people have recently been buying up everything they can get). He asked how licencing could be a deterrent to crime if millions of rounds have already been stockpiled.


 The guest replied that ammo "has a limited shelf life, just like the eggs in your refrigerator. Within a few years it can't be used anymore." He went on to say how the police regularly replace the ammo in their guns because of this.


 Guess I might as well throw out all of that milsurp ammo I've got. It can't possibly be any good after 50 years. 

[gendoc]

sounds like thatsa well educated fella..........

[tom548]

He sounds just as smart as the rest of the gun grab people.

[LONGTOM]

Good thing that doe I shot a few years ago with my old REMINGTON ROLLING BLOCK shooting original 43 Spanish ammo from the 1880s era didn't know that.
She might not have died when I hit her at about 60 yds quartering towards me in the neck and it came out behind the far shoulder!
The only ammo I have that will not still fire is some original HENRY 44 Double Rimfire from around the end of the Cival War.
The BP is still good but the rimfire priming compound is dead or I could have shot my old 1865 HENRY RIFLE.
That would have been a real treat!!! 
 
 
LONGTOM

[mcwoodduck]

While we can joke about the comment and how ignorant it is.
The goal is to limit the ammount of ammo a person can buy to kill off shooting ranges adn gun stores.
At one point the left talked about limiting CA shooters to 50 rounds a month. 
50 rounds a month, is half a sporting clay event,
about 1/2 a steel shoot a month.
or just barely a bulleseye shoot with NO sighters.
And I mean one match a month.  Not 50 rounds a month per caliber.
Heck I can shoot 50 rounds of 22 long rifle in an hour plining shooting clay birds. 

[mechanic]

My grandkids burn  through a brick of 22 in a single shot quicker than I can buy it almost.  50 rounds is not even a warm up.
 
Ben

[mcwoodduck]

My grandkids burn  through a brick of 22 in a single shot quicker than I can buy it almost.  50 rounds is not even a warm up.
 
Ben

And now you see the goal of the anti gunners here in CA.  They want to limit your availability to take younger shooters to the range.
And I have a nephew that I think cna exceed the cyclic rate of my semi auto rifles when at the range. 

[KIMBER45]

The shelf life in my house depends on have much I decide to shoot at a given time.

[Brett]

50 rounds?  Heck it ain't worth packing up and heading to the range with only 50 rounds!

[dakotashooter2]

And how do they plan to regulate how much ammo a person has in storage? What if I just buy my 50 rnds per month and stockpile it till I have enough? Is somebody going to come to my house each month to see if I have shot it up. Do I have to bring in "exchange cases" when I buy my next allotment? How are they going to regulate reloaders? 
These people never think this stuff through................

[mcwoodduck]

And how do they plan to regulate how much ammo a person has in storage? What if I just buy my 50 rnds per month and stockpile it till I have enough? Is somebody going to come to my house each month to see if I have shot it up. Do I have to bring in "exchange cases" when I buy my next allotment? How are they going to regulate reloaders? 
These people never think this stuff through................

I do think there was a max number in the law they were proposing a few years ago.
From what I remember about the proposed laws was that you could only buy 50 rounds a month and have a max of 1,000 or 5,000 rounds.  They also named a primer as a round.  So you could not have componets to make 1,000 shot gun, pistol or rifle rounds. 
It went down.  but like all bad leftist ideas they will try to bring it up again and again. 

[mcwoodduck]

The shelf life in my house depends on have much I decide to shoot at a given time.

How often will you go if you are only allowed to buy 50 primers either loaded ammo or loose to load your own a month?

[dakotashooter2]

My point is in almost all cases the only way they are going to know how much you have on hand is to come out and look or if you do something illegal that causes them to come and look.. I'm sure our cops have better things to do.
 
 
 
 
"I support the restriction of high cap mags in exchange for the restriction of congressional term limits"

[Victor3]

And how do they plan to regulate how much ammo a person has in storage? What if I just buy my 50 rnds per month and stockpile it till I have enough? Is somebody going to come to my house each month to see if I have shot it up. Do I have to bring in "exchange cases" when I buy my next allotment? How are they going to regulate reloaders? 
These people never think this stuff through................

I do think there was a max number in the law they were proposing a few years ago.
From what I remember about the proposed laws was that you could only buy 50 rounds a month and have a max of 1,000 or 5,000 rounds.  They also named a primer as a round.  So you could not have componets to make 1,000 shot gun, pistol or rifle rounds. 
It went down.  but like all bad leftist ideas they will try to bring it up again and again.

 Back in 1994 it was Federal, not State. It was called the "[size=78%]Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994"...[/size]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1878/text


 They were proposing to require what they called a "Federal Arsenal Licence" (at a cost of $300 for 3 years) for anyone who stored more than 1000 rounds or primers, and anyone who owned more than 20 guns unless they already had an FFL or import licence.


 There was also a bunch of other highly restrictive stuff attached to it. Would have been a bad one for us had it been signed into law.

[mcwoodduck]

And how do they plan to regulate how much ammo a person has in storage? What if I just buy my 50 rnds per month and stockpile it till I have enough? Is somebody going to come to my house each month to see if I have shot it up. Do I have to bring in "exchange cases" when I buy my next allotment? How are they going to regulate reloaders? 
These people never think this stuff through................

I do think there was a max number in the law they were proposing a few years ago.
From what I remember about the proposed laws was that you could only buy 50 rounds a month and have a max of 1,000 or 5,000 rounds.  They also named a primer as a round.  So you could not have componets to make 1,000 shot gun, pistol or rifle rounds. 
It went down.  but like all bad leftist ideas they will try to bring it up again and again.

 Back in 1994 it was Federal, not State. It was called the "[size=78%]Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994"...[/size]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1878/text


 They were proposing to require what they called a "Federal Arsenal Licence" (at a cost of $300 for 3 years) for anyone who stored more than 1000 rounds or primers, and anyone who owned more than 20 guns unless they already had an FFL or import licence.


 There was also a bunch of other highly restrictive stuff attached to it. Would have been a bad one for us had it been signed into law.

As an FFL the state and feds have the right to inspect your books at any time.  I am sure that the Fed Arsenal Lic too would have an inspection provision. 

[mcwoodduck]

My point is in almost all cases the only way they are going to know how much you have on hand is to come out and look or if you do something illegal that causes them to come and look.. I'm sure our cops have better things to do.
 
 
 
 
"I support the restriction of high cap mags in exchange for the restriction of congressional term limits"

And when was the last time you were pulled over?  The police ask "were are you comming from" and "where are you headed"  You say from the range or to the range and you could be inspected.  How often do the police know the laws?  I had a CA HWY patrol reach for his pistol, break the thumb latch on My Jeep Cherokee and Yell Hands on the wheel, do you have a fire arm in the car.  I said no why would you ask that, he calmed a little and said you have a Guns & Ammo mag on the back seat.  I said if it was a playboy would you think I had a hooker in the car? 
How do you explain to the police officer that you are bringing 1,200 rounds of assorted ammo to the range because you have only 1,000 at home and you wanted to be legal by shooting the 1,200. 
Like explianing to a cop that you found out your cigar was a cuban and you were buring the contraband.   

[oldsoldja]

from now on next to the 'we take old waste oil' will be a sign 'we take old ammo'

[Lon371]

  I maybe wrong, but a few years ago wasn't there a deal going where they wanted to make gun powder or primers go dead after a certain period of time?

[cwlongshot]

Other day on the radio they had a guy on to discuss California's proposed licencing of ammo buyers. The host questioned the guest about all of the ammo already out there (and how people have recently been buying up everything they can get). He asked how licencing could be a deterrent to crime if millions of rounds have already been stockpiled.


 The guest replied that ammo "has a limited shelf life, just like the eggs in your refrigerator. Within a few years it can't be used anymore." He went on to say how the police regularly replace the ammo in their guns because of this.


 Guess I might as well throw out all of that milsurp ammo I've got. It can't possibly be any good after 50 years. 

Let that be our secret!!!

Thats 100% correct... NONE of it will be any good in very short time... 

CW

[mcwoodduck]

  I maybe wrong, but a few years ago wasn't there a deal going where they wanted to make gun powder or primers go dead after a certain period of time?

Reality kicked in and much like the serialized ammo and the micro stamping it is not practical or the physics do not support it.
Also cities really do not want ammo that has an expiration date of 6 years for thier police departments. 

[mcwoodduck]

Other day on the radio they had a guy on to discuss California's proposed licencing of ammo buyers. The host questioned the guest about all of the ammo already out there (and how people have recently been buying up everything they can get). He asked how licencing could be a deterrent to crime if millions of rounds have already been stockpiled.


 The guest replied that ammo "has a limited shelf life, just like the eggs in your refrigerator. Within a few years it can't be used anymore." He went on to say how the police regularly replace the ammo in their guns because of this.


 Guess I might as well throw out all of that milsurp ammo I've got. It can't possibly be any good after 50 years. 

Let that be our secret!!!

Thats 100% correct... NONE of it will be any good in very short time... 

CW

When I worked at a boat store people were always bringing in their expired flares.  For a while I was taking them.  and the hand flares I was using as lighters for fires when camping and for the charcoal grill.  In the kit was three red flares and one thick orange smoke.  I had a bunch of them for a while.  Finally told people that they should keep the old ones in case.  If they needed flares they may need more than three.  We had a Coastguard auxillary that would not allow expired flares even as back ups on the boat.  She came in and we had words.  I pulled out of my gear some expired flares that were 3 years ols and they worked, I went through about 6 and a couple shot shells showing her they would work every time before she stopped making people remove them.  Some how they think the expiration date is exact and that it will not work.
Funny story about the smoke. My buddy saw me use the flares to light the grill and asked if he could have one for a canoe trip to light a camp fire.  I said yes and told him to only take a red one and NOT to take the orange one.  He opens the container I kept them in and saw the red ones and saw the orange one was about twice as thick and figured I was holding out on him and took it.  He had about 200 yards of orange smoke headed down the river before he could get it out. 

[Victor3]

And how do they plan to regulate how much ammo a person has in storage? What if I just buy my 50 rnds per month and stockpile it till I have enough? Is somebody going to come to my house each month to see if I have shot it up. Do I have to bring in "exchange cases" when I buy my next allotment? How are they going to regulate reloaders? 
These people never think this stuff through................

I do think there was a max number in the law they were proposing a few years ago.
From what I remember about the proposed laws was that you could only buy 50 rounds a month and have a max of 1,000 or 5,000 rounds.  They also named a primer as a round.  So you could not have componets to make 1,000 shot gun, pistol or rifle rounds. 
It went down.  but like all bad leftist ideas they will try to bring it up again and again.

 Back in 1994 it was Federal, not State. It was called the "[size=78%]Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994"...[/size]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1878/text


 They were proposing to require what they called a "Federal Arsenal Licence" (at a cost of $300 for 3 years) for anyone who stored more than 1000 rounds or primers, and anyone who owned more than 20 guns unless they already had an FFL or import licence.


 There was also a bunch of other highly restrictive stuff attached to it. Would have been a bad one for us had it been signed into law.

As an FFL the state and feds have the right to inspect your books at any time.  I am sure that the Fed Arsenal Lic too would have an inspection provision.

Yup...


(2) The holder of an arsenal license shall be subject to all obligations and requirements pertaining to licensed dealers under this chapter.’.

And check this out...

Section 921(a)(3)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking ‘or receiver’ and inserting ‘, receiver, barrel, stock, ammunition magazine, or any part of the action’.

And this...

‘ARTICLES TAXABLE AT 50 PERCENT‘Any handgun ammunition (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code).’.(b) TAXES ON HANDGUNS AND HANDGUN AMMUNITION TO HEALTH CARE TRUST FUND- Subchapter A of chapter 98 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to trust fund code) is amended by adding at the end the following new section:

[mcwoodduck]

Sounds like I need a BFR in 30-30 or 45-70 or i need to rework all of my revolvers to 44-40 as that started out as a rifle round.