Author Topic: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us  (Read 6475 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #90 on: December 06, 2012, 02:30:43 AM »
The only things cut from Medicare and Medicaid were things already covered under the new law. Other cuts were made to eliminate double paying, overpaying, etc. AND, like I keep having to remind people on the right, the law has not gone into effect yet--- so far it has done NONE of that.
then why is the same coverage in the HCL...  oh yeah,  an old person didn't have to buy medicare coverage, but under obama care, they will be FORCED to buy coverage or the new IRS thugs will be on their doorstep.
communism pure and simple.

 
 
look at the brite side when we can't afford HC we will all get 3 hots and a cot !
yeah there's that.  good health care too.....
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24296
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #91 on: December 06, 2012, 02:32:34 AM »
Obamacare is being phased in.  Just because it hasn't taken FULL effect doesn't mean it is not in effect.  It is and has already started.  Your social security medicare tax is going up next year.  Additional Obamacare tax is going on capital gains next year.  Average tax increase for the middle class will be between $50-100 a month.  This is with or without any "fiscal clift" agreement.  All the POTUS and Congress are argueing about is the Bush tax cuts and spending cuts.  SSI taxes are going up because of Obamacare period.  Ask your doctor what has already been phased in and what is going to be phased in next year. 
 
Read Obama's book, he wants America to go over the fiscal clift so the FEDS can GAIN more control of our lives, our economy, etc.  He is a Socialist period.  Really a Menskivic Communist, not the Bolshevic kind.  Read his book.  No one in the media knows what he really wants.  Even stupid democratic congressmen and senators knows what he really wants.  They just think it is politics as usual.  Clinton at least was an old school politician and knew how to compromise.  Obama is very stubborn.  The Bowles-Simpson plan has been offered by the republicans, but Obama rejected that and it was a bi-partisin plan to both increase some taxes, close some loopholes, and cut some social programs costs, and raise the retirement age for younger people.  Sounded like a decent plan to me, but NO, Obama is wanting more.  He wants to spend more without anything to back it up. 
 
Mark my words, we will reach the real fiscal clift at $20 trillion debt.  Government at that point can't take in enough tax money to even pay the interest on the debt.  We will reach it in less than 4 years. 
 
The economy should have already bounced back, but everyone with money is afraid to spend it because they don't TRUST this president.  He has talked out of both sides of his mouth.  No one knows what to expect.  I want to buy some things myself, but don't want to do it for fear of this economy.  So, I prep instead.

All while America sleeps, and the youth believe everything their told, and read. I don't wish to "convince", I wish to "survive" this coming collapse.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2012, 02:33:26 AM »
Hey Dee,  after I read one of your posts,and when I scroll to the next one, the print is so small by comparison that I have to squint. ;D
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24296
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2012, 02:53:39 AM »
Hey BUGEYE, I have to squint at my own posts. With no ink involved (only buttons), there is no added cost in "larger print". ;D
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2012, 03:22:27 AM »
What did y'all expect from a law that was written by Republicans, whose main object was to protect the insurance corps?
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline scootrd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2745
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2012, 03:23:34 AM »
My wife is on Medicare, and I buy a supplemental Ins. policy to cover any residuals. If Medicare pays nothin on the cost, the Ins. pays nothing on the cost. Medicare pays on fewer and fewer conditions due to GOVERNMENT CUTS on Medicare.
This is going to sound harsh .. not meant to be. My Mom is also in same situation

But should this approach to medicare paying less and less please the far right . Most here should relish those BIG BAD GOVT CUTS correct?

Republicans have been pushing for total elimination of medicare for years, that was the intent of the Ryan budget. Voucherize....
So this unfortinate news you are sharing and my mom is experiencing to some on this site should probably please them.
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
"I have strong feelings about gun control. If there is a gun around I want to be controlling it." - Clint Eastwood
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjaman Franklin
"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2012, 03:27:36 AM »
My mom's in the same boat--- and she continues to vote for the people who cut her earned benefits. What can you do?
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24296
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2012, 03:54:42 AM »
My wife is on Medicare, and I buy a supplemental Ins. policy to cover any residuals. If Medicare pays nothin on the cost, the Ins. pays nothing on the cost. Medicare pays on fewer and fewer conditions due to GOVERNMENT CUTS on Medicare.

This is going to sound harsh .. not meant to be. My Mom is also in same situation

But should this approach to medicare paying less and less please the far right . Most here should relish those BIG BAD GOVT CUTS correct?

Republicans have been pushing for total elimination of medicare for years, that was the intent of the Ryan budget. Voucherize....
So this unfortinate news you are sharing and my mom is experiencing to some on this site should probably please them.

 
The fact of the matter is, that the reason it's goin down is that Obama took 716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and the beat goes on.
With that said, this discussion is basically a waste of time. Everyone thinks they know best and are goin to do what their goin to do, when they vote, and we're all gonna pay the price. The truth has been distorted so many times that one has to look closer than the "Republicans wanted to do away with it", to see what actually happened. With that said, I really have nothing else to add, and will let everyone else continue this "circular" discussion.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2012, 04:02:18 AM »
Good argument, except that that $716 billion has not come out yet!  ;D That's how much Obama wants to cut payment to corporations in healthcare over the next ten years. Y'all need to stop watching FalseNews for your information. ::)
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline scootrd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2745
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2012, 04:56:52 AM »
The fact of the matter is, that the reason it's goin down is that Obama took 716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and the beat goes on.
This is a Drive by media talking Point , false and did not happen.  He removed 716 billion from going to INS companies.
Ryan wanted to put it back and award them.  Feel free to fact check it.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, it's not the patients who would lose money. It's the providers. The president's changes mean the annual increases insurance companies receive will be trimmed and  hospital reimbursement rates would be reduced.

In fact, vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan's proposed budget contains these same reductions, something CBS News asked Governor Romney about. "Well, first of all, Congressman Ryan has joined my campaign and his campaign is my campaign now. And we're on the exactly the same page. And my campaign has made it very clear: The president's cuts of $716 billion to Medicare -- those cuts are going to be restored if I become president and Paul Ryan becomes vice president."

The Congressional Budget Office concluded the cuts -- which do not come out of the Medicare trust fund -- actually make Medicare more efficient and extend the life of the program.

Additionally, all but four members of the house GOP voted for those same cuts in passing Ryan's budget plan

and it's also worth a mention one of the sticking points in this whole fiscal cliff discussion is the GOP wants even more cuts in medicare above the 716 billion in waste already cut from the program. Only difference is these new cuts being sought will affect participants.
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
"I have strong feelings about gun control. If there is a gun around I want to be controlling it." - Clint Eastwood
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjaman Franklin
"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant

Offline Cuts Crooked

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3325
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2012, 11:55:29 AM »
Quote
The Congressional Budget Office concluded the cuts -- which do not come out of the Medicare trust fund -- actually make Medicare more efficient and extend the life of the program.

ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!! Cutting funding to make it last longer! :o ;D :o ;D :o ;D
Smokeless is only a passing fad!

"The liar who charms and disarms and wreaths himself in artifice is too agreeable to be called a demon. So we adopt the word "candidate"." Brooke McEldowney

"When a dog has bitten ten kids I have trouble believing he would make a good childs companion just because he now claims he is a good dog and doesn't bite. How's that for a "parable"?"....ME

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2012, 03:45:31 PM »
Cutting OVERPAYMENTS  to make it last longer.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2012, 03:56:19 PM »
It's hard to believe we have democrats amongst us....traitors....
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline scootrd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2745
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2012, 04:29:35 PM »
Quote
The Congressional Budget Office concluded the cuts -- which do not come out of the Medicare trust fund -- actually make Medicare more efficient and extend the life of the program.

ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!! Cutting funding to make it last longer! :o ;D :o ;D :o ;D

They didnt cut funding.. they cut waste and over payments to INS companies.
Nice try though, but you can fact check it.

See this is how bi-polar the GOP has become and why I walked away from it. 

All during the campaign They accuse Obama and DEMS of cutting medicare and they will be the saviors and put it all back (with no mention Ryans budget did the exact same thing except instead of eliminating waste and over payments his cuts would directly hit seniors)

Now that the election is over  and the fiscal cliff negotiations are going on what is one of the concessions the GOP wants... ding ding ding ...cuts to Medicare.

These guys are just nuts. You just cant make this stuff up.
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
"I have strong feelings about gun control. If there is a gun around I want to be controlling it." - Clint Eastwood
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjaman Franklin
"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant

Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2012, 03:17:05 AM »
The Dems have not and cannot do anything but buy votes with my money.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline Cuts Crooked

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3325
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #105 on: December 07, 2012, 09:04:19 AM »
I really don't have a hard time believing that some of you are that niave and have that short of a memory. And looking over some the posts, those of you arguing in favor of the "cuts" are sometimes stepping on each others 'points" with opposing claims. :o ;D
Smokeless is only a passing fad!

"The liar who charms and disarms and wreaths himself in artifice is too agreeable to be called a demon. So we adopt the word "candidate"." Brooke McEldowney

"When a dog has bitten ten kids I have trouble believing he would make a good childs companion just because he now claims he is a good dog and doesn't bite. How's that for a "parable"?"....ME

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #106 on: December 07, 2012, 09:03:19 PM »
I have just as hard a time believing that some of y'all don't remember that the Bush tax cuts were always supposed to expire.  ;D
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline scootrd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2745
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #107 on: December 08, 2012, 03:33:25 AM »
I have just as hard a time believing that some of y'all don't remember that the Bush tax cuts were always supposed to expire.  ;D
+1

But it's like Heroin for the wealthy.
Now their hooked and need their congressional dealers to keep the Juice goin so they can continue their high.
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
"I have strong feelings about gun control. If there is a gun around I want to be controlling it." - Clint Eastwood
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjaman Franklin
"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #108 on: December 08, 2012, 03:23:40 PM »
It's hard to believe we have democrats amongst us....traitors....
yep, the democrat koolaid is laced with dope, and they keep wanting more.
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #109 on: December 11, 2012, 07:08:15 AM »
Tax cuts is a bandaid , cut federal spending . Cut wealfare , get rid of the bopard of education , let the states have more tax money , get away from  health care providing and back to regulating it.
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #110 on: December 11, 2012, 07:27:57 AM »
'Cause that has worked so well so far?
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2012, 07:29:05 AM »
you think ?  ::)
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2012, 07:44:49 AM »
What you describe is exactly what has been happening for the past twelve years. Doesn't seem to work, does it?
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2012, 08:05:47 AM »
What happened to SS has been going on since the 80's or before not just 12 years .
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline Buckskin

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2504
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #114 on: December 11, 2012, 09:56:36 AM »
Romney/Ryan would have stopped this. All of those who sat on the sidelines will find out soon enough what they did, in many more facets than ObamaCare.  I cannot feel sorry for those people who allowed this to happen. You sleep in the bed you made, not much more cut and dry than that. 
Buckskin

"I have tried to live my life so that my family would love me and my friends respect me. The others can do whatever the hell they please.   --John Wayne

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #115 on: December 11, 2012, 10:01:54 AM »
Romney/Ryan would have stopped this. All of those who sat on the sidelines will find out soon enough what they did, in many more facets than ObamaCare.  I cannot feel sorry for those people who allowed this to happen. You sleep in the bed you made, not much more cut and dry than that.

Really not sure they could stop it but they would not have made it worst .
maybe
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline Cuts Crooked

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3325
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2012, 10:36:31 AM »
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obamacare = Romneycare!
Smokeless is only a passing fad!

"The liar who charms and disarms and wreaths himself in artifice is too agreeable to be called a demon. So we adopt the word "candidate"." Brooke McEldowney

"When a dog has bitten ten kids I have trouble believing he would make a good childs companion just because he now claims he is a good dog and doesn't bite. How's that for a "parable"?"....ME

Offline ChungDoQuan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1417
  • Eisenhower Conservative
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #117 on: December 11, 2012, 01:01:10 PM »
What happened to SS has been going on since the 80's or before not just 12 years .

I was referring to the states raising taxes and taking over more services.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.

Offline Buckskin

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2504
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #118 on: December 11, 2012, 04:15:15 PM »
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obamacare = Romneycare!

Hey, keep laughing, I'm laughing too at all those who thought it wouldn't affect them. Won't change things though. But it makes it more fun! ;D
Buckskin

"I have tried to live my life so that my family would love me and my friends respect me. The others can do whatever the hell they please.   --John Wayne

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Obama Care affects a HUGE corporation and us
« Reply #119 on: December 12, 2012, 05:35:43 AM »
What happened to SS has been going on since the 80's or before not just 12 years .

I was referring to the states raising taxes and taking over more services.

OK ,
If ya can see it ya can hit it !