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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2012, 05:37:44 AM »
Well, I work for a company that has about 1,400 employees.  At the Christmas dinner a few years ago, the CEO of my company sat at my table.  He knew my name, knew how many kids I had also.  We had random tables to sit at, and he just decided to sit at my table, as we had a buffet dinner.  So, some CEO's do care about their employees. 
 
Henry Ford wasn't getting production, and some of his workers would fight on the job.  He asked his pastor what was wrong with people.  His pastor said to pay the men a wage to provide for their families and he would get good workers.  He did, and his production greatly increased and he became very wealthy.  He started paying $5 a day wage, when the average was probably $1 a day back then (gold standard), which was unheard of.  If companies want good employees, they will pay the wages.  They will pay what the market will bear.  Now, if we can get out economy to at least 3% growth, we will get out of this mess and jobs will be more plentiful and wages will go up.  If we are going to raise taxes on anyone, we need to raise tariffs on imported Chinese goods since they will not let their money adjust to ours.  The cost of their goods in real terms should be 30% higher than the are.  At that point factories will start to come back to America.  Romney does know this.  He has mentioned it. 

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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2012, 06:30:45 AM »
I remember how well it worked for Mondale to say that he would raise taxes if elected.  Keep up your good work, Joe.
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Well I belong in the "have a little group", excuse me if I read your post incorrectly, but are you saying, if I have two cows and my neighbor has none, I should give him one of mine?? Or is it more like, the people who have educated themselves, worked hard, made good decisions, and have made "more" money, should be penalized for this and give their earned dollars to those who have done none of the above? Sounds like socialism to me...I apologize if I misunderstood what you're saying..

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after observing Joe Biden for most of his 'career', i cannot see one credible thing he has accomplished other than make a complete idiot of himself and those whom he's supposed to represent; truly a boor if ever there was one.

the "Upper 10%" mentioned should NOT be subjected to excessive taxation. as proposed: "Anone making $250,000.00 a year or more SHOULD pay 30%, OR MORE"...now... i ask...is that truly "Fair"? if you believe it is, be so kind as to explain, in a rational, intelligent answer as to WHY it's "FAIR"...

the old Marx "Let he who makes more, pay more..." idea is NOT legimate...it's irrational and contradictory to good common sense. that 'idea' is nothing more than jealousy and contempt for those who are motivated to get ahead.

these United States have, and always has had, and will ALWAYS have, safety nets in place for the poor, underpriviledged, physically and mentally disabled...somehow it's been initiated, perpetuated and condoned by the marxists that the wealthy are somehow responsible for these societal problems...i know of NO ONE who is opposed to aiding the physically and mentally handicapped...now...many of the so-called "Lower" class are there due to poor choices made by them in their lives...to say otherwise, is simply ignorance ,or denial, or both.
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2012, 05:28:57 AM »
One fact that should be kept in mind is that the Bush tax cuts brought more revenue to the federal government ever.  So as always, the problem wasn't the amount of taxation, it was the amount of spending.  The same is true today.
In general, government will never have enough money to satisfy all the wants and needs it can dream up.  Also, government in general doesn't seem to be able to prioritize responsibilities.  The first priority of any government should be to not spend a penny on anything that is not absolutely necessary.  The one exception is the federal government when it comes to securing and defending the country.  Extravagant spending should not be tollerated in that endevour, but we must insist on the finest results.
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2012, 04:26:10 PM »
One fact that should be kept in mind is that the Bush tax cuts brought more revenue to the federal government ever. 
How in the world could tax cuts bring in more revenue? Doesn't seem possible
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2012, 05:48:36 PM »
Bottom line: Tax the rich more and they will take their money elsewhere.

BTW: You ever get a good paying job from a poor man?

Or a welfare parasite, for that matter?

But food stamps create jobs, as Mrs. Pelosi says.  LOL.
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2012, 11:53:55 PM »
One fact that should be kept in mind is that the Bush tax cuts brought more revenue to the federal government ever. 
How in the world could tax cuts bring in more revenue? Doesn't seem possible

How could it not seem possible. Its worked that way every time its been done. The problem lies with a government that thinks it has to spend more when more comes in, and then some.
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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2012, 01:49:41 AM »
Romney until yesterday kept saying that deductions and loopholes would pay for his tax cuts estimated to be $5 Trillion.  That's mathematically impossible.  There aren't enough loopholes and deductions to pay for a $5 Trillion cut.  The Romney campaign are liars who will say anything to get elected. 

Paying With Deductions and Loopholes?

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/04/14220691-about-that-5-trillion-tax-cut?lite


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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2012, 02:42:22 AM »
The Princeton University economics professor who came up the what Romney has adapted for tax rates and codes, says Obama is lying, that Romneys plan would work, because he developed it.  We have already had over 4,200 billionares leave America and give up their citizenship to keep from paying the high taxes.  If they all leave who will then pay the taxes?  They already pay far more of the total tax revenue than the rest of the country.  How about GROWING THE ECONOMY so that ALL BOATS RISE.  Dem's are pulling numbers out of  the air without backup.  You can take ALL THE INCOME MONEY FROM ALL THE MILLIONARES AND BILLIONARES and it would only drop the deficit by 10%.  DRASTIC cuts in government spending MUST be made.  Since Obama took office my paperwork for environmental issues has quadroupled.  We have changed NOTHING in the way we do things and install pipelines, yet we have to jump through paperwork hoops to get a project approved and monitored.  This causes delays, layoffs, and customers waiting for gas.  I see it everyday.  It costs my company thousands of dollars a year.  Who pays? the end customer when they pay their fuel bills, whether electric from natural gas production to direct use by consumers.  Just like health care, now, everything is going to go to the lowest common denominator.  You can't buy anything better anymore, better insurance, etc, because ALL have to provide the same service under government direction.  No competition, just all mandates from unelected bureaucrats. 

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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2012, 02:52:05 AM »
The Princeton University economics professor who came up the what Romney has adapted for tax rates and codes, says Obama is lying, that Romneys plan would work, because he developed it.  We have already had over 4,200 billionares leave America and give up their citizenship to keep from paying the high taxes.  If they all leave who will then pay the taxes? 
If all your "facts" are as accurate as this, then you have credibility issues...there are only 425 billionaires in the entire world.
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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2012, 03:15:34 AM »
The Princeton University economics professor who came up the what Romney has adapted for tax rates and codes, says Obama is lying, that Romneys plan would work, because he developed it.  We have already had over 4,200 billionares leave America and give up their citizenship to keep from paying the high taxes.  If they all leave who will then pay the taxes? 
If all your "facts" are as accurate as this, then you have credibility issues...there are only 425 billionaires in the entire world.
Dizie Dude may have my problem, sometimes I will hit a key several times before I can control my hand.  that said, the things the he says are the real problems that the idiot obama has piled on american business.  other countries do not hamstring business like we do here.
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2012, 05:05:44 AM »
One fact that should be kept in mind is that the Bush tax cuts brought more revenue to the federal government ever. 
How in the world could tax cuts bring in more revenue? Doesn't seem possible
Cutting taxes stimulates bidness activity; business activity generates tax payments, which generates revenues for all levels of government.  It is all about balance.  Obviously if taxes of all types are cut too much, government revenue will indeed be diminshed.  The trick is to find the right kind of cuts to make that stimulates business, but maintains the right mix of taxes to fund necessary government functions.
In no way should that entail that the prime responsibility of government is to craft taxes that extract the maximum results.  The aim should always be to only tax as necessary and then only in a fair and equal manner.  Keep in mind that America was founded on the principle of fair taxation.  If England hadn't been tax hungry and greedy, we might still be part of Great Britain.
 
One thing that should be more than clear by now is that when Obama and his administration talks about raising taxes on billionaires and millionaires, they are being untruthful.  Their proposals are to increase taxes on  households that have incomes above 250k and individuals above 200k.  Most of these are hardly millionaires, or billionaires.  This obsession to tax folks who have done and are doing the right things to try to be successful and have a nice life is more akin to penalizing success than it is to any effort to bring down deficits.  At best it would be a wash in bringing more revenue to the federal government and very likely would cause the loss of jobs and most certainly would discourage entrepreneurship.
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2012, 10:49:14 AM »
The Princeton University economics professor who came up the what Romney has adapted for tax rates and codes, says Obama is lying, that Romneys plan would work, because he developed it.  We have already had over 4,200 billionares leave America and give up their citizenship to keep from paying the high taxes.  If they all leave who will then pay the taxes? 
If all your "facts" are as accurate as this, then you have credibility issues...there are only 425 billionaires in the entire world.

 
I think you need to get your facts straight.
 
According to Forbes there are 1153 billionaires in the world!!!
www.forbes.com/billionaires/
 
 
There are 399  billioniares in the US according to wikipedia.

 
 

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« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2012, 12:11:43 PM »
The tax and spend crowd will not be happy until those with money are taxed until they are poor. As someone else asked in a post. What is fair to some of you tax and spend people? We keep hearing about the rich paying their fair share despite them already paying a very large portion of the federal income tax, not even counting state taxes. So will one of you "tax the heck out of the rich people" people please just tell us what you think is fair.  The liberals are going to bring California crashing down first with their tax the heck out of the rich plan. People with money are leaving the republic of California. What will liberals whine about next, and who will they blame when the majority of the rich leave the US? From what I've read here from some, our problems stem from rich people not paying enough. With no thought that the problems are due to the socialist/Marxist state that has been created. I guess when people with money are done leaving. The Liberals will still have Bush to blame. 

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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2012, 01:14:50 PM »
The tax and spend crowd will not be happy until those with money are taxed until they are poor. As someone else asked in a post. What is fair to some of you tax and spend people? We keep hearing about the rich paying their fair share despite them already paying a very large portion of the federal income tax, not even counting state taxes. So will one of you "tax the heck out of the rich people" people please just tell us what you think is fair.  The liberals are going to bring California crashing down first with their tax the heck out of the rich plan. People with money are leaving the republic of California. What will liberals whine about next, and who will they blame when the majority of the rich leave the US? From what I've read here from some, our problems stem from rich people not paying enough. With no thought that the problems are due to the socialist/Marxist state that has been created. I guess when people with money are done leaving. The Liberals will still have Bush to blame.
good post.  liberals are just too stupid to realize that they are about to self destruct.
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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2012, 12:12:18 PM »
One fact that should be kept in mind is that the Bush tax cuts brought more revenue to the federal government ever. 
How in the world could tax cuts bring in more revenue? Doesn't seem possible
Cutting taxes stimulates bidness activity; business activity generates tax payments, which generates revenues for all levels of government.  It is all about balance.  Obviously if taxes of all types are cut too much, government revenue will indeed be diminshed.  The trick is to find the right kind of cuts to make that stimulates business, but maintains the right mix of taxes to fund necessary government functions.


So  the economy tanked with the Bush tax cuts in place. Why aren't they stimulating business activity now?
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2012, 01:01:00 AM »
Well, the news said 4,200, but they might not have all been billionares, some might have just been multimillionares.  When the economy GROWS, it is like the tide, ALL boats rise.  The economy isn't just a FIXED amount of goods and services.  It can INCREASE.  When it increases, tax revenues rise.  To grow the economy, people must have CAPITAL which is money, land, raw materials, or a factory.  People who do have money (the middle class in particular) are not spending, they are saving.  During the last bubble, banks loaned out money they really didn't have, in was just on paper.  When people didn't pay back their loans, the banks didn't have money for any further loaning.  That is the problem with fiat currency Ron Paul talked about.  However, the government can do many things to stimulate the economy into growing, just like fertilizer and water for crops.  The can APPROVE of drilling, pipeline construction.  The can get of the backs of small business and not treat small business like big business with regulations, paperwork, etc, that keep them from growing and hiring.  Too many regulations, and some small business just gives up. 
 
For instance, I have a small business contractor that installs pipelines for me.  He has himself, his brother (a welder), a son, and two workers.  His business probably clears at least $500,000 to $1,000,00 a year.  He has trenching machines, backhoes, welding machine and a few trucks.  He only pays himself and his brother $75,000 a year, his son less, and his two workers started at $10 an hour, but one has learned how to operate a backhoe over time so his pay goes up to say $20-25 an hour.  He could hire more workers, but he is afraid to.  Most of the profits go into payments on some of his equipment, diesel fuel, and TAXES.  He has to match the social security tax paid to themselves.  He has to meet government regulations such as passing welding and plastic fusing testing.  He has to periodically send everone for drug testing.  He has to buy liscences in every town and county he works in.  Now he has to provide health care for everyone.  He therefore can't afford to hire anyone else, even though he needs them.  All the regulations, he has to pay for.  His corporation has to pay 35% in taxes above and beyond all these regulations.  Now cutting some, streamlining some, would help him, which thus helps me get lower bid prices on work we need done.  If my prices go up, so does your gas bill to pay for these added expenses my company has to pay.  Thus we can't spend more money for more pipeline expansions.   Government is a parasite on private business, so there is only so much private business can afford so the government MUST CUT back, not grow.
 
So if you tax too much, it styfiles the economy, and raises prices on everything you buy or service you need.  Why not just cut government?  What is so hard for liberals to understand the nature of a government too big such as the old Soviet Union which failed. 
 
Problem is, the rules changed for bank lending under Bush.  The economy did grow, and it grew fast.  I went through it.  We were installing mains everywhere.  Banks lent money they didn't have thus causing a bubble when people they lent to couldn't pay their mortgages knowing full well they were going to come due.  They had stuff like pay only the interest for 5 years, then begin paying the interest and principle (sometimes doubling their payments).  They also had no down payments so it was just like renting to them, no investment in their homes.  Gasoline rose because Opec kept raising prices in the world's growing economies.  People had to start paying for these increasing mortgages and higher gasoline prices.  Couldn't do both.  They should never had gotten away with fixed mortgages with reasonable down payments and we wouldn't be in this mess.  They also should never had gotten away from the gold standard. 

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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2012, 07:03:18 AM »
I remember how well it worked for Mondale to say that he would raise taxes if elected.  Keep up your good work, Joe.
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Well I belong in the "have a little group", excuse me if I read your post incorrectly, but are you saying, if I have two cows and my neighbor has none, I should give him one of mine?? Or is it more like, the people who have educated themselves, worked hard, made good decisions, and have made "more" money, should be penalized for this and give their earned dollars to those who have done none of the above? Sounds like socialism to me...I apologize if I misunderstood what you're saying..
bold is my emphasis.
i would like to add to that by saying that we, as americans, have always, and always will, care about, and care for those who CANNOT care for themselves.
when i was working...i had to pay for my med insurances as well as 'other's...i worked, and lived, in a very large metropolis on the california, mexico border that has a large navy base.
i went into homes daily on service calls for 32 years.
i witnessed so many of the ones who are supported by handout programs it was beyond belief. many, if not most, were able, but not willing to work...those are the ones i 'have a problem with', NOT the physically disabled and mentally incapable; there is a difference between WILL NOT work and CANNOT work.
i know of NO honest, hard working, American citizen, who would deny help to those in LEGIMATE need..."I don't wanna work" is NOT legimate...
 
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