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synthetic forend
« on: December 26, 2011, 05:33:31 PM »
Good evening all,
I ordered a synthethic stock set from Choate the other day...std forend...standard monte.  I mounted these on my 3030 and now the barrel is...as we say around here "wicked sloppy"!  She locks up nice and snug, but the forend doesnt really come down as much as she needs to to engage that rounded area.  Has anyone else had this issue?  Is there a way of tightening it up?  Or do I just have to live with it?

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 07:02:18 PM »
Where is the fore end hitting (making contact with the barrel or fore end screw lug)?
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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 01:14:58 AM »
I have seen it a couple times with synthetic forends. Its my opinion that they "shrink" a bit more than estimated. Leaving the fit at the receiver lose.

I have not done it, but thought about it a couple times. I would think you could use a couple nylon screws tapped into the forend to take up the space. You know screw them in leaving them "proud" of the surface a bit effectively tightening up the fit.
 
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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 01:17:04 AM »
everything seems fine forward on the barrel and lug etc.  it just doesnt fit tightly on the rounded bottom end.  The old wooden forend fit nice and snug.  If you held the rifle horizonal with the old forend, pressed the release, you would have to physically break open the gun.  If you held this horizontal with the synthentic and hit the button, she'd open up on her own.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 01:28:29 AM »
CW  I think the nylon screws idea would probably do it.  It really just looks like it needs something about the thickness of black plastic electrical tape.  ...your description is spot on, It's like the forend dried or shrunk after it mas molded.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 01:40:19 AM »
The barrel shouldn't be wiggly at all.  It should lock up tight with no movement while the forend is off.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 01:56:21 AM »
lock-up hasnt changed at all.  She locks up tight with or without the forend.  It's when she's broken open that it is all floppy and sloppy now since it doesnt have the friction from the forend to keep it snug like my wooden forends did.  It seems like I need about another 1/16 of an inch of plastic on the forend where it "hinges"

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 02:05:59 AM »
I have been considering trying to epoxy a thin piece of brass shim stock to a synthetic fore-end, to suit this purpose...

I'm not sure that I'll be able to find a suitable epoxy for ABS (I assume) to brass, but I have not begun to look yet either.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 02:07:40 AM »
Good, as I said, yes I have seen this before. On wood forends I make up a shim and place it between the wood and the plastic that screws on. Problem solved.
 
BUT on the syn its molded and all one piece... Tape will not last long if at all. Possibly a shim could be made and glued in, but its thousands of an inch we need there.... Another possibility would be to remove some material, then add it back with epoxy or some such, shaping to the receiver and fitting to proper functioning. (Alot of work)
 
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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 02:21:37 AM »
I mentioned the tape more as an example of the thickness that I need.  I have thought of epoxy or something like JB Weld, but I couldnt imagine the fitting work afterwards.  I wonder if anyone has ever taken a dremel and elongated the screw hole and then back filled it with JB Weld???

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2011, 04:32:04 AM »
I mentioned the tape more as an example of the thickness that I need.  I have thought of epoxy or something like JB Weld, but I couldnt imagine the fitting work afterwards.  I wonder if anyone has ever taken a dremel and elongated the screw hole and then back filled it with JB Weld???

You could put the JB weld on the stock.  Spray your action liberally with PAM.  Put it together and let it sit.  It shouldn't stick to the frame.  The CHoat Forend I bought was too long.  I had to take alot of material off.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2011, 04:50:11 AM »
Stumpjmpr...I like that  8)   I'll have to take a look at it again tonight to see what that would entail.  It sounds like others have had to do a little "fittin" with these. 

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2011, 05:24:56 AM »
The OFF CENTER FOREND FIX would be one way to fix it since it's a way of changing the hole location in the forend.

I added a spacer to one of mine, worked pretty good, then it can be shimmed with aluminum furnace tape or sanded to fit per the FAQs.  ;)

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2011, 05:37:23 PM »
thanks Tim, I guess I will have to go with changing the mounting hole.  My forend is all one piece and there is no end piece to remove.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 05:41:51 PM »
I was just perusing eBay and knoticed a new style blk forend for 19$ shipped... for all the effort maybe just buy that and be done with it!!
 
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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2011, 05:59:18 PM »
CW...was that a choate?  I just bought this one about 2 weeks ago!  I guess I will give them a call in the am.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2011, 12:15:55 AM »
No it was a H&R new style.
 
I did see a survivor butt and forend as well, but do not remember the $$..
 
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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2011, 01:28:24 AM »
Midway has them for about $15. 

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2011, 01:39:45 AM »
Before you start changing anything, see how it shoots...that is the most important thing, not how it feels.
I have found that the fit from fore end to frame should not be tight, it should be a little loose. Go a head and shim or move the mount hole, but I would not make it tight fitting. When the fore end presses on the frame, it seems to shoot inconsistently. I do not like a loose fitting fore end, like you said it is sloppy feeling, not solid. I just put up with it, as long as when the barrel is in place it locks up tight.  I have all wood fore ends have them all a little "sloppy". I also put a pillar in and epoxy bedded the whole fore end. I do have a dedicated fore end for each barrel.
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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2011, 04:44:45 AM »
I had a H&R  one that was loose as the original post noted. I drilled the screw holes with a 1/16" and added the counter sunk shape while the fore arm was one piece. Then I sawed it off using the top off the fore arm as my guide and a very thin band saw blade. Then I made a spacer out of white plastic, marked and punched a little larger hole in white space to give some minor adj. if needed. Works great, you do need to keep the band saw blade cool.

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2011, 04:51:29 AM »
My forend is all one piece and there is no end piece to remove.

The forend I modified is identical to yours, see ADDING A SPACER OR REPAIRING A SYNTHETIC FOREND in the FAQs, I put a direct link to it in my last reply. Spacers are available from H&R, Brownells and Numrich.  ;)

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Re: synthetic forend
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2011, 03:04:25 PM »
It sounds to me like your gun works fine. I think it is nice when the gun opens easily like you described. I can load it faster in the woods if needed without using 2 hands to open. My right hand opens the gun while the left is getting the next the next round ready to go.