I'm shooting the 180 XTP at over 1600fps. I havn't chrono'd this particular load, but that's about what it should be anyway. It's not hot at all...I should probably be loading them a little faster but it's a very accurate load. The Max bullet was destroyed when it hit the spine and it frag'd everywhere. Bullet from the 280 was probably in the ground, I know it passed through and blew a big hole outta the neck coming out the other side. Like I said I am shocked that he needed to be finished off. Just shows you how tough those harmless little deer can be. Shot was under 20 yards...probably more like 10-12. And not to self...always make sure the muzzle of pistol is past the flap of the window or you blow a 6 inch hole in your blind from the muzzle-blast.