6.5x284 vs 7mm rem mag vs 300 win mag

[mitchell]

well nomosendero you got me. ill be ordering a barrel in 264 win mag on the 1st . from what ive read it will do everything i want it to and more. and if it ever lets me down i have plunty of others to turn to. (300, 280, 25-06, 243, 6mmbr ect). ill keepyou guys posted on the build, im buying the parts now but i wont get it all together til i go on leave in april.

thanks for all your help everyone , and please keep the thread going if you like . nothing like the never ending argument of what gun is best.

[Lloyd Smale]

surely no flys on the 264. Ive never owned one or even killed a deer with one but my buddy who does crop damage with me has a ruger in it and its his favorite gun for that and ive seen him kill a truck load of deer with it out to 400 yards. I almost bought one myself this year. Another buddy has the same gun that he uses. A ruger with a thumbhole stock and i almost bought that one myself buy just couldnt stand the thumbhole stock and by the time i bought it and replaced the stock id just have to much money into it.

[nomosendero]

well nomosendero you got me. ill be ordering a barrel in 264 win mag on the 1st . from what ive read it will do everything i want it to and more. and if it ever lets me down i have plunty of others to turn to. (300, 280, 25-06, 243, 6mmbr ect). ill keepyou guys posted on the build, im buying the parts now but i wont get it all together til i go on leave in april.

thanks for all your help everyone , and please keep the thread going if you like . nothing like the never ending argument of what gun is best.

And good luck to you Mitchell, I look forward to the report. With rifle season knocking on the door (MZ season right now), I doubt I test mine much until Mid-Jan-Feb. Hopefullt, I can get a quick load for Deer season, no long shots on this property & work up the best loa for my Antelope/Mule Deer hunt next Oct.

Here is a couple of pretty good 264 articles, I expect more as the 6.5 caliber is gaining more & more favor on the ranges, the hunting field favor allmost allways follows that. Alot of manuals still are on the slow side as the cartridge was on the backburner. That is changing now!  

http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/the-264-winchester-magnum

http://www.petersenshunting.com/print/2969

Notice in the second artice he says he gets 3300 easily with the 140, I will be more than happy with 3200.

Good hunting!!

[mitchell]

that was a real good read. sure would be nice to get 3300 fps, man i cant wait , this is going to be a long year i should of timed this better with me coming home.

[SHOOTALL]

dosn't the 264 have the rep. for short bbl life ? Might be with certian powders ?

[mitchell]

even if it is i doubt i ever shoot enough out of a hunting rifle to burn it out.

[nomosendero]

Old reps die hard, the same could be said about many that burn  a little faster, but are not.

[SHOOTALL]

Naw it was something about the small bore and high pressure burn. The throat sometime was said to burn out in less than a thousand rounds . I was looking at one but went with a 25-06 after hearing that.

[nomosendero]

Naw it was something about the small bore and high pressure burn. The throat sometime was said to burn out in less than a thousand rounds . I was looking at one but went with a 25-06 after hearing that.

Naw, I heard all of that too. A 7Rum going a thousand rounds, I could believe that one, or a 30-378. I read those articles for years & the same about the 220 Swift. Then I bought a Swift & used it for years. There is no logical reason that a 264 would have this problem, but not a 257Wea, in fact the 257 Wea would have to be worse, the 7STW worse & the before mentioned rounds far worse. Unless you are volume shooting, a barrel will last an average hunter a lifetime & a hunter like Mitchell for severalyears. Like I said, those old articles had their effect.

[mitchell]

another thing is if your going to custom route , buying a new barrel isnt all that bad. and 1000 rds will take a while if your not a big target shooter. and if your shooting slow like you should and dont get you barrel hot ill bet it last longer then that.

[SHOOTALL]

Metal back then might have been differen't also.

[nomosendero]

Metal back then might have been differen't also.

True & they did not have the variety of slow burning powders that we have today & with big cases handloaders tended to use higher pressure loads with then existing faster powders & did not get the velocities we can get today with less pressures.

[1911crazy]

I found a 264win mag locally and i always wanted one.  I guess i need to look it over closely.
Question;  Does the cross wind affect the lighter faster bullets more over the heavier more powerful bullets? Is this something to consider for long range shooting. How does the 338win mag go at long distances?  My remington 700 in 338wm is a one holer at 100yds meaning i put two bullets thru the same hole taking the "X" out of the bullseye.  I haven't tried it at longer ranges yet but i'm sure she will perform. It also has the BDC scope(bullet drop compisation) my thoughts are at longer ranges we need a very accurate rifle at 100yds to go the longer distances.  If its not grouping at 100yds then it will be way off at 300 to 500 yds right?
My plans for a 1,000yd rifle is a swiss k31 in 7,5mm swiss.  I hear that most of these can group 1/2" to 3/4" at 100yds. with irons. I purchased a few to benchrest to see which one performs more accurate then i have my project rifle. I also picked up a ST Marie drill/tap scopemount for it and i need the muzzle dampener/brake next. I've also heard that the swiss k31's have been performing well at camp perry too.

I seen on ESPN VS the other day they were shooting and dropping wild bores on the spot with a latest/greatest pellet rifle.  They dropped as fast as the very first 50BMG in the bolt action video when they were first tested.  The weebles wobbled and they fell down on the spot.

[Coyote Hunter]

I found a 264win mag locally and i always wanted one.  I guess i need to look it over closely.
Question;  Does the cross wind affect the lighter faster bullets more over the heavier more powerful bullets?

 Short answer:  It depends…

Longer answer:  You can find untold examples either way.

Easiest way to check specifics is to run a calculator.  Point Blank is the one I use, available free at www.huntingnut.com.  You will need to know the bullet’s Ballistic Coefficient, muzzle velocity and weight for each load you compare.

Is this something to consider for long range shooting.

Yes.

How does the 338win mag go at long distances?  My remington 700 in 338wm is a one holer at 100yds meaning i put two bullets thru the same hole taking the "X" out of the bullseye.  I haven't tried it at longer ranges yet but i'm sure she will perform. It also has the BDC scope(bullet drop compisation) my thoughts are at longer ranges we need a very accurate rifle at 100yds to go the longer distances.  If its not grouping at 100yds then it will be way off at 300 to 500 yds right?
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A .338 makes a good long distance cartridge.  As to wind drift, see above.  Accuracy at 100 does not gurantee accuracy at ‘X’ yards, but I’ve yet to see a rifle that shoots poorly at 100 do better at longer ranges.